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freakin Z06s!!
i just read an article today in some car magazine in a grocery store today that said that the 2002 Z06 vette will have 405hp and 400 lb-ft of torque, its already the best bang-for-the-buck car out there, i guess they're going after the 911 Turbo with this one, hopefully SVT will go through with one of their motors that can easily make 400hp for an upcoming cobra, then maybe a 500hp cobra R to match the 500hp viper coming soon
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I thought I read something about a possible upcoming Eaton-blown 4V Cobra. It could've just beena rumor...but damn that'd be sweet.
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That z06 hp bump is rediculous. They're already like 2 seconds faster than my GT, and this next bump will probably put them in the 11's. Without a blower and some serious tuning, GT's won't stand a chance. ------------------ Black 2000 GT Bassani X-pipe, Magnaflow Mufflers, Steeda Pulleys, K&N Filter. Steeda Weld in Subframes, Strut Tower brace, Sport Springs, Caster/Camber Plates. Red 1994 Mustang Cobra #4343 Pulleys, Shorty Headers, K&N filter, short throw shifter. |
Can't remember where I heard this but......... I recall in an upcoming Cobra 5.0 DOHC going 380HP.
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yeah, i heard Honda was going to put a TT V6 in the civic....like 500hp....
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Hey you guys have to remember the Mustang was never meant to compete with the corvette. I think the Z06 is like $50,000 or so. I would rather buy a 02' MACH1 assuming they build it, and the $20,000 or so I save can go to a supercharger and other goodies. 4.6 DOHC + PSI is easily 450 to 500 Hp. Bye, bye vete. But yeah they are fast as heck, like a 12.4 or so, lower with an experienced driver.
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I'm waiting for this coming Thursday's paper. The Sunday edition today showed a teaser of the a tweaked 'vette from GM.
The engine, according to the teaser, will put out 752 hp. Ouch!! --jp |
A Mustang is never going to compete with a vette factory vs. factory. 12.4's for the new a Z06. Oh on that price, I saw one advertized for $39,995. =P Later
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That's a killer deal because the base invoice is listed at $42,000 and the base list price is listed at $48,000. Not to mention the dealer mark up on a car like that. I would think $3,000 to $5,000 mark up on a car like that. I know when I used to sell cars there was a $3,000 mark up on the Cobras. But who really cares, the point is I'll never buy a chevy product. I would rather spend 25,000 on a 5,000 stang and have a real car that I created.
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Yeah I was pretty shocked at that price too. But I got to looking at it, and it's a brand new 2001, and I believe the 01's have 385hp. In the add it says something like, No cheese, we just want out of this trap. So I think they want to get rid of it. =p
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I'm waiting for my Columbus Dispatch too...750 hp is NUTS!
The Z-06's are already a VERY fast production car. With 405hp, I can't imagine what the insurance would be - regardless if you're married, 50 yrs. old and have three kids - it has still got to be some serious jack! All Ford needs to do is drop in the 5.4L Lightening motor into the Cobra and bump it to 400 horse. Now that would be cool. E ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60' [This message has been edited by 302 LX Eric (edited 08-20-2001).] |
Why is everyone so caught up in ford droping in larger DOHC supercharged motors and what not? Look at the price of a Cobra already! Just give me a tuneable package at a fair price, as long as there's an aftermarket I will be happy. The most depressing thing to me would be a 500 hp factory mustang that would sell for like $65,000, you know something the average person can't afford. I don't want the mustang to lose it's roots as an affordable great bang for the buck car. That you can still afford to fix up yourself and kick the $hit out of all those overpriced "super cars"; that's what its all about.
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I think Ford has given up on the idea of using the Cobra as a vette fighter, I read in Motor Trend? that they might revive the GT-40 as thier super car.
IMO they are trying to build an M3 fighter. Which I suppose is a grand idea, but no self respecting bimmer freak is even gonna acknowledge the existance of a Mustang as a competitor. So again IMO the powers that be have thier head stuck were the sun doesn't shine. As far as a super charged DOHC making 400 hp, thats just lazy, dirty engineering! the Z06 is making 71 hp per liter with 2 valves, 1 camshaft and 16 pushrods. 71 hp per liter times 4.6 equals 327 hp, Sad part is, thats with 4 valves and 4 cams in the case of the Cobra, when it shoulod be the 2 valve GT making at least that much if not more. with its SOHC arrangement your knocking out the pushrods and the lifters for the most part. A whole lot of weight saving going on there. Not to mention those missing pushrods and the increased room for a much better shot into the combustion chamber. The 2 valve SOHC should be making 300 hp or better not 260, the DOHC engine should be making 350 or BETTER |
And beyond just the horsepower, the 'vette is set up to handle much better than any stock mustang, IRS or solid axle. My biggest disappointment when I got my 99GT a few months back was how poor it handled under pressure, and how much you have to do to it to improve the handling to road racing class levels (like the 'vette). Even the Z28 comes with a torque arm set-up, but I gotta spend $1K or more to get a TA, panhard bar and get rid of the UCA's.
I do like how much we can modify 'stangs, and am glad the car isn't a $40-50K auto, but there should be a minimum level of performance for this type of car. I hope the new chassis and suspension in the '04s is better designed. --jp |
I can agree to a point that the Mustang would be better with a more advanced chassis and definetly a better powertrain, but I believe a big part of the car's charm is how easily it can be modified and the results you can get and while the culture is rife with cowl hoods and Saleen wings, each car is an expression of its owner and thats what makes it so popular.
So its my opinion that as the Mustang nears automotive perfection , its reaching a point of diminishing returns on the satisfaction scale (even though I keep screaming for a better engine http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ) Anywhosit, it would suit me just fine if the next gen Mustang had a solid axle and a two valve motor. but in that context I would like to see a good T/A set-up in the raer and a 2 valve 4.6 making 300 hp and that would probably do for another 20 years or so |
MiracleMax, I agree the charm of our 'stangs is the ability to modify them. 'Vettes seem pretty cookie cutter since they are optimized. But the live axle really needs a Torquearm setup like the Z28's already have. You could leave the standard quad link for the V6'ers, but where there's serious hp make sure the car can handle well.
I just had my Griggs TA, panhard bar and subframes installed this week. Set me back $2K in parts and labor to get the car up to handling par. I love how it handles now! I like your idea - leave us the 2V, put in a torquearm, and give us around 300hp. That'd be a good starting point for the GT. But make the 4V engine an option in the GT. And leave the so-so IRS for the Cobra. --jp |
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As far as a minimum level of performance, what would you like to compare a 99GT to? Right now you can look around a little and pick up a 99GT for $14k-$15k. For that money a 5spd stock is well capable of running a 0-60 in the mid 5's a 14.00@100mph runs the slalom a hell of a lot quicker than almost anything else you can get from 99 at that price, and for $1400 for some wider tires and wheels, it'll hold the road better than any Fbody. What's a 99 C-5 go for? About $38k if you look real hard. You might be able to come up with a V-8 F body for only another 1000 or 2000 over a GT. Seems to me the Mustang is a pretty good bargain. I'm in agreement that the Mustang is not meant to fight the Vette, though. The Vette is an impractical, expensive toy. The Mustang seats 4, has a little cargo space anyway (even with a spare), is relatively inexpensive, and you'll commonly see it used as a daily driver. If Ford wanted to build a Vette fighter, I wouldn't doubt the Thunderbird could be setup to do what the original was built for. |
It's true, the Cobra and Corvette are in different classes on purpose. Actually, after having attended a few road racing events, the Corvette guys don't even pay attention to the Mustangs. They tend to consider cars like Porsches their main rivals.
As for power, I can buy a brand new Cobra for much less than a Z-06, spend $500 and 3 hours installing a nitrous kit, and keep up with him, if not beat him. Not a bad deal, especially when I see the look on the other guy's face. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------ Moxie Racing The Nitrous Oxide Information Site |
Yeah, that's what you love and pay to see. Their faces, when you beat them. They just watched their money say 'Goodbye' along with their pride.
That's another thing I really love about Mustangs (in my mind) they can be put into two areas a toy, and an everyday car. And these two areas swicth up constantly. It seems that the Mustang is allways an underdog in peoples eyes, but I never doubt their power- even against the highest of cars. Because they have the spirit of a winner- and so does many of their owners. |
Damn unit! you are so right, lol i started reading your reply, and knew it was you before i even looked at your name http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif, keep up the knowledge man.
Zo6, so it is a baddass vette, too bad a modified 5.0 could still spank it, lets say a 5k car, 3k worth of heads and cam, with a 2k blower, or nos like stated above, you still have enough left over to go buy an 01 gt to just cruise around, for the price of a zo6. |
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