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gp001 08-21-2001 04:44 PM

Outer head bolts go thru water jackets??
 
Do the outer head bolts go through the water jackets????? I've only built 1 5.0 (this one) and don't remember.

8850 08-21-2001 06:38 PM

Yes, they go through and will leak if you don't use thread sealer.

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PrplMonster 08-21-2001 08:34 PM

Use RTV on the outter head bolts. It acts like moly-lube, yet seals.. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif

.dave

PKRWUD 08-22-2001 01:27 AM

DO NOT use RTV. Use thread sealer. RTV will affect your torque readings, thread sealer will not. If you can find it, get ARP Thread Sealer. Best stuff there is.

Take care
~Chris

P.S. Those of you who have used RTV, be prepared to blow a head gasket.


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WADS56 08-22-2001 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PKRWUD:
DO NOT use RTV. Use thread sealer. RTV will affect your torque readings, thread sealer will not. If you can find it, get ARP Thread Sealer. Best stuff there is.

Take care
~Chris

P.S. Those of you who have used RTV, be prepared to blow a head gasket.


If you have studs how could you get a false torque reading when using rtv?


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PKRWUD 08-30-2001 03:57 PM

Quote:

If you have studs how could you get a false torque reading when using rtv?


The gentleman was inquiring about bolts, not studs. Sorry for your confusion.

Take care
~Chris

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blown89saleen 08-31-2001 01:46 AM

get the arp thread sealer its the ONLY thing to use IMO

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Mach 1 08-31-2001 04:38 AM

I cant remember exactly for sure, but Im almost positive I didnt use ANYTHING on my head bolts that were in the water jackets, and I havent had a leak yet, been almost 4 years since I bolted the heads on, so I wouldnt worry to much about it.

ALS85GT 08-31-2001 08:49 AM

I would agree w/Mach 1. I've rebuild serveral motors and never used thread sealer.And they haven't leaked,. I'm sure that thread sealer might be good insurance though. My 2 cents..

LX XLR8R 08-31-2001 10:26 AM

as far as i seen it is a necesity on studs mine had little bubbling from them so i took it off and used sealer and its fine now

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Capri306 08-31-2001 02:19 PM

According to Haynes, Chilton's, and even the Ford book, you must use thread sealant (outer bolts only) on later model 5.0's. Why wouldn't you even if it WAS just a mild insurance policy? Haven't any of you guys looked into the bolt holes on a 5.0 block? There's the water jacket right there! Hence the rust on some bolts when removing the factory originals. Even when using studs I would highly recommend sealant, and NOT RTV. That stuff is pure evil IMHO, and has absolutely no place in a well-built engine...unless you like gasket failure as stated above. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/tongue.gif The ARP stuff is the way to go. In some racing applications, they are using what's called Hylomar for head bolts, but then again they're only used for one run then thrown out. I'd call up Permatex before using that or the PST they manufacture. But why risk it? Just use the ARP stuff.

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PKRWUD 09-01-2001 02:05 AM

It really is a no brainer. Thread sealer is cheap and easy to apply, insures against leaks, acts as a thread protectant similar to anti-seize and won't affect torque readings now or later, like RTV and corrosion/rust will. If you're in a pinch, or on a desert island, don't sweat the small stuff. HeII, you could probably use bailing wire and electrical tape for spark plug wires if you were desperate, but if you're not, then why? If thread sealer is available, use it! It's not like it's any more effort (unless you develop a leak or a frozen bolt because you didn't use it!).

Take care
~Chris

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