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Mr 5 0 · 07-03-2002, 04:17 PM

Deuce:

Good observations on your part.

I have no fears of discussing God or the Second Amendment; I've done so many times with many different people that held many different views, both in person and on the web.

The key to a good discussion is to stick to facts, avoid cliches and don't personalize the issue. Because someone disagrees with me that doesn't mean that they're stupid, immoral or evil, they just disagree and I usually want to know why and on what basis. Maybe I can show them were they might be wrong, maybe they can show me where I could be mistaken. That's intelligent discussion, often beneficial.

Those who choose to come on internet threads with screaming accusations and name-calling, painting all who disagree as some kind of blithering idiot, immoral or otherwise unfit to live, waste everyone's time. That's just ignorance talking in most cases and those folks cannot sustain a valid argument except to name-call and scream. Ho hum.

Opposition to the Second Amendment (legal private citizen gun ownership) is often well-intentioned (stop crime and killings) but it never works in the real world. Most countries (i.e. Australia's gun buy-back) that disarm citizens see a rapid and deadly rise in gun crime by - surprise - criminals with guns! The gun ban is usually quietly overturned in time by public demand.

I doubt many folks really want a total gun ban or the politicians would have gotten it by now. They've been trying for decades. Even the apolitical understand that being disarmed by your government is dangerous to your liberty and the first step down the path of totalitarianism. Ask a citizen of Cuba, China or Iraq how many guns they own.

Case closed as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks again for your comments.

07-03-2002, 04:17 PM	#78
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Second Amendment Deuce: Good observations on your part. I have no fears of discussing God or the Second Amendment; I've done so many times with many different people that held many different views, both in person and on the web. The key to a good discussion is to stick to facts, avoid cliches and don't personalize the issue. Because someone disagrees with me that doesn't mean that they're stupid, immoral or evil, they just disagree and I usually want to know why and on what basis. Maybe I can show them were they might be wrong, maybe they can show me where I could be mistaken. That's intelligent discussion, often beneficial. Those who choose to come on internet threads with screaming accusations and name-calling, painting all who disagree as some kind of blithering idiot, immoral or otherwise unfit to live, waste everyone's time. That's just ignorance talking in most cases and those folks cannot sustain a valid argument except to name-call and scream. Ho hum. Opposition to the Second Amendment (legal private citizen gun ownership) is often well-intentioned (stop crime and killings) but it never works in the real world. Most countries (i.e. Australia's gun buy-back) that disarm citizens see a rapid and deadly rise in gun crime by - surprise - criminals with guns! The gun ban is usually quietly overturned in time by public demand. I doubt many folks really want a total gun ban or the politicians would have gotten it by now. They've been trying for decades. Even the apolitical understand that being disarmed by your government is dangerous to your liberty and the first step down the path of totalitarianism. Ask a citizen of Cuba, China or Iraq how many guns they own. Case closed as far as I'm concerned. Thanks again for your comments.