[StreetPony]

Originally posted by Mr 5 0

It's painfully obvious that your brothers homosexuality has deeply affected your attitude toward any negative comments directed at homosexuals.

while i use my personal experience as a source of firsthand data, my stance against intolerance is consistent with any group of oppressed people.


why don't 'all' homosexuals denounce them?

they dont denounce them because most of them just want to be left alone to their own private lives. most homosexuals are either in the closet, or they dont wish to publicize their own activities by denouncing the activities of others. the extremists you see trying to cram their agenda down your throat are a small minority indeed.


Yes, I'm a Christian, and this seems to instantly enrage many homosexuals and atheists

it doesnt enrage me at all. while i choose to be ahthiest, i think that if your religion brings you comfort in your life then its GREAT. but just like with the gay activists, i dont want religious activists trying to push their religion onto me. i dont want to be "saved" anymore than you want a homosexual activist trying to force his beliefs on you. while im not suggesting that you were trying to do that, i wanted to make that part clear. i have nothing against religion. it brings comfort to many people so its great....for them.


When an unpleasant fact arises, just scream 'HATE!' loudly and shout down the opponent.

i know its easy to dismiss what i have said to you so easily but im curious......so just how far _can_ you go without it being hate? where do you draw the line?


Attacking a mans faith is another tactic I see you use with aplomb.

show me anywhere i have attacked your faith???? i question any scientific study thats based in religious doctrine, but thats not attacking your faith.


Can you say 'hypocrite'? I'll bet you can.

i ask you to show me where i have been a hypocrite, or retract that statement.


You go ballistic defending homosexuals (which you claim not to be defending) and hysterically accuse me

<sigh>....please show me any hysteria or angry rants. please back up your statment with a firm example of what you claim. i have been just as calm and polite as you have been.


and attempt to make me some sort of fanatic who gets his information from some religious group. My! What happened to your vaunted tolerance?

??? you claim to have studied homosexuality so i am simply asking for an example of your courseware. if you cant quote an example of your courseware thats fine but dont attempt to turn it into something else to side track my request. it is my _belief_ based upon your statements that you have no experience with impartial, scientific data by which to study homosexuality. surely you dont believe that religious doctrine would be impartial on a topic such as homosexuality?


To homos and those who support them, tolerance is a one-way street and you've neatly proven that here.

that is absolutely not true. tolerance is a two way street but there is no such thing as free speech without responsibility!


Your attempt to insist on 'proof' of why homosexuals are attracted to other men is a typical attempt to get us all bogged down in nit-picking arguments

what???? i havent asked for proof of why homosexuals are attracted to other men. i know why homosexuals are attracted to other men. i have asked for proof (indirectly through requesting your courseware) that you have studied homosexuality but thats not the same thing. please remain on track here.


Bottom line: Who knows?

any homosexual knows......and i know because of my personal experiences with my brother. ask _any_ homosexual if it is a choice and show me _one_ that says he "chose" to be gay. they all say they were born gay....are they all liars?


While sodomy may be called 'natural to homosexuals', it isn't and we don't need a university course to know that, do we, Nathan? Really.

lol.....man on man is _quite_ natural for homosexuals. they get turned on by other men. it isnt a "choice", its the way they are. could you chose to be turned on about anything that didnt naturally turn you on? i think not.


We have a right to an opinion, as do you.

<sigh>....of course you do! but having an opinion is not the same thing as expressing it irresponsibly. as i asked another, would it be ok for the kkk to ralley in front of 1st graders? would that be simply a matter of free speech?


'Fag' doesn't equate to the 'N-word' being used against a black person and the usual homosexual tactic is to pretend that it does and use it as an example of 'hate'.

i strongly disagree with you. it is a derrogatory term used to hurt a socially oppressed group of people. it is indeed one in the same.
the church will teach you its different because homosexuals are "sinners" but thanks to a separation of church and state, as citizens of this country we arent governed by religious doctrine.


Homosexuals routinely call themselves 'Queer'

and??? many blacks regularly refer to one another as "******". that doesnt make it right for you or me to use that same word in a derrogatory manner.


If any homosexuals are on this forum, they can respond or not. I haven't seen any, have you?

yes. since this thread has begun i have heard from a handful of homosexuals. i havent quoted anything because the "email" excuse is a weak one but ill mention it now since you asked directly.


I doubt it's 'fear' that causes the silence.

im sorry, youre wrong. they dont want to be ridiculed further in a forum where the forum moderator has already publically stated that ridicule is ok and acceptable. their privacy is more important than an internet message board so they say nothing. i can understand why.


Calm down and take a deep breath.

im perfectly calm. im a bit taken back by your statements (particularly since as a moderator you are looked at as the voice of reason), but im perfectly calm.


have used your own intolerance to attack me and others

dude......you think ive "attacked" you? thats being a bit dramatic is it not? should i just agree with everything so that none of you are called to task when you say something i disagree with?


For a well-traveled, mature guy, you slip into the name-calling mode rather easily when your buttons are pushed,

??????? where have i called you any names? where have i called ANYONE "names"?


Some think this Vin Diesel guy is gay and they make fun of it, because he's so 'tough' onscreen.

??? what does being gay have to do with being tough???? the gym i attend, like most gyms, also has homosexual members and i can assure you that no one would question whether or not theyre "tough". some are policemen, some are soldiers, some are bouncers, and one in particular is a chef and even he is about twice the size of most pro football players. there are gay wrestlers, gay boxers, gay martial artists that are just as tough as any "real man" you can name. the assumption and belief that homosexual males are all feminine is a clear demonstration of the overall level of ignorance concerning them.



You've stated your opinion, I stated mine, as have many others. I won't get into a flame war here

i never considered this debate to be a flame war and in fact im quite impressed that no one has accused me (yet) of being an in the closet gay myself with a hidden agenda. we have core differences but id still shake your hand and say "nice to meet you".