[surfbeast]

If we were all master mechs and had a dyno then we could settle all the questions on add-on HP gains. Also, every car is different and gets a different amount of gain/loss from each MOD. Of course a new car guy that just spent a bunch of money on a part wishes he got the max hp gain stated in the adds for the part, hell, what else does he have to go on? Should he tell his friends " I just spent $500 buck and got 5 rwhp! " ? Part of owning a performance car is having fun adding to it, that's why even the seasoned veterans that know these parts don't give stated results still use them. Give the average guy that don't know what he is getting a break! We all like to DREAM BIG! And when money is tight ( always ) 20HP sound a whole lot better than 6. If the new guys want to dillude themselves thinking they have 300+ Hp with a few bolt on let them, They will see what they really have when it matters and when they become more knowledgeable. If you don't like them saying that then teach them, don't rag them out!