well it all started with a little anger and the proublem came out. I put the new triger in and of as suspected it didn't help so I thought well I had about all I could take of this car so I held it to the floor for about a minute and the cats started on fire so off they came and man now it runs like it should all that money and time wasted on this car and it was that simple. well thanks for all the info if you happen to have a proublem like this one you might try this O and it didn't turn on the check engine light yet so the converters might stay off for awile. thanks
