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Originally posted by carlos.elliott
sorry another inocent person wrongly stuffed in jail. I hear this every day. You had to have done something wrong to be there. You also would have to be alseep your whole stay to not see the rights you had. The size of your cell, The amount of food, the amount of light, fresh air is all regulated. So yes if you get to spend time in jail you have rights mabye not the ones you feel you deserve like to get off scott free or strippers and beer in jail but you had rights. I gurentee you didn't get beat in jail every day or laid in a pile on top of other men. This is what makes america great is our rights to be treated fairly (like everyone else in the same place). I will not sit and say there isn't anyone in jail that shouldn't be there but I talk to 100's of inmates everyday and they all say they did nothing wrong ok not true
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Let me ask you something... What do you base your statements on. What you have seen on TV? What other people have told you?
It is interesting to me you can comment on something you have never been through. You only recite the same statements that I have seen on TV, and the news my whole life. This fabrication that the police and courts are never wrong, and that anyone who is arrested, and/or is in jail MUST be guilty of something.
The statement that someone "has" to be guitly of something to be in jail, has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever heard, and I hear it alot. Now that DNA testing is being accepted as evidence, how many "guilty" people have been proven innocent of crimes they were accused of? I suppose they are guilty of something too.
How many people here have had traffic tickets, and went to court? And how many people have had the police outright lie to the judge? Happens all the time. The police have NO PENALTY for lying. They do it all the time. And I am not aware of 1 case ever of a police officer being fired for lying.
I am going to make this very short, because if I told everything, this would be the longest post ever on this BBS. What happened to me was simple. I was married, my X wife was harming my child (2 at the time). I was going around to her freinds and family, told them I was going to divorce her, and asked them to help me get custody. I still have the written statements that some of them wrote. Next thing I know one day I am at home (on a sunday evening), my X wife is not at home, as usual, and next thing I know the door opens and 4 cops are standing in my living room. This one tall cop asks me for my ID. I always try to cooperate with the police, even though I hate them, so I comply with this. He writes down some stuff in his book, then asks me if my X-wife can take some stuff. I said "no, she can't take anything". Then they left. I never asked them what they wanted, although I just figured she was leaving (and had found out what I was doing) and wanted them there for some reason.
3 days later (I have not heard from my X wife at all) I am cooking dinner, and I get a knock at the door. I open the door and the same cop and another guy comes in. He tells me he has to take me down to the police station, and asked me if I have $50. I say no. He tells me to call someone and have them bring $50 to the station. I called my dad (who is about an hour away) and told him to come and bring $50. On the drive, the tall cop explains to me that I am under arrest for "domestic violence" and that it is all just BS and I will be out as soon as someone brings $50 for the bail. So they let me sit in the station after doing fingerprints and all that until my dad comes down there. When I leave, they give me this piece of paper from the court that says I cannot contact to my x-wife and make me sign it.
2 weeks later my phone rings, remember, I have not heard from my X wife. It is her. Although my Lawyer has told me not to speak to her, I like a fool do it anyhow (this would be the biggest mistake of my life). She tells me she is sorry for calling the police on me but she was scared I would take our daughter and bla bla bla (which I would have). She asks me if she can come home and all this. I told her no, that I was going through with the divorce. She got mad, so I told her not to call me back and hung up. 20 minutes later the police call me back, and tell me I am going to be arrested (call me and tell me ???) for calling her and threatening to kill her????? I told them I had the caller ID that showed she called, and "I RECORDED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION". They then said that it would be up to the judge what would happen (at this point I was being charged with assult and battery, forgot to mention that).
A few days later, I am sitting around the apartment watching TV, and my door is broken off the hinges. Next thing I know I am on the ground with a 9 pointed at my head. The cop who is sitting on my back asks me my name. When I tell him that, he asks me if I have $50,000 dollars for bail. I say (gun still at my head) "yea, I got that right over here, by the Rembrant". So then he tells me I am going to jail. I ask to see the warrant, which I am told "We don't have to show it to you". I then ask him what I am being held for, and he says "the judge didn't say. He just put out a warrant". I was never read my rights either. I was hancuffed, and drug (not walked) out of my apartment, in shorts, with no socks, in the middle of winter. On my way down, I notice my X-wife and her family are outside on the sidewalk watching me. I ask the cop what they are doing there. He told me to mind my own business. In the car, the same cop (not the tall one, who was cool) told me "Mark told us what you did to his sister. We are going to take care of you". In case you are wondering, Mark is my X-wife's brother, who is a county sherriff. When I get to the police station, I was hit several times by the cop. Whether or not you belive me, I don't care, it is the truth. Then I was thrown in a cell, with no blanket, left to sleep on a block of cement. I was there about a day. No food the entire time either.
Next day I am taken to court. I was drug in front of the judge who is handling the "assult" case. Mind you, I am in shorts, no shoes or socks, in the middle of winter, without a shower (ever wonder why people on trial look so bad, now you know!). I looked pretty bad. Then the judge asks me "why are you calling and threatining your wife". I told him "the constitution says I have a right to counsel, I want to talk to my lawyer". The judge said "Don't go quoting the constitution in my courtroom!". He asked me again, and I said "She called me.." he cut me off and said I was a liar and this and that and that he could tell I was gulity (what does that mean?). Then he starts asking me about my tattoos. Let me ask you this: What the hell does that have to do with anything!!!!!!! I told him that me having tattoos has nothing to do with anything. He told me to shut up and that I would held in jail until April 16 which is when my trial was for assult. I was in county jail for about the next 2 months or so...
I can go on and on forever, but there you go. To sum it up real quick, I was tried, and found guilty on NO evidence whatsoever other than my X-wifes word. That's all it takes to get convicted, is one witness saying you did it. And I suppose you think a witness can't lie? Forget I have everything on tape. That I can prove what I am saying is true, I couldn't use it, as I did it without her knowledge. Oh, and there were no marks on her either. How do you try and kill someone and leave no marks? She said I choked her and punched her and threw her down. I would think there would be some marks, don't you?
Oh, and I have a recording of her on tape, talking to a friend, admitting she lied, and did it to "get even" with me and make sure I did not get custody. Would you like me to digitize it so you can hear? Oh, I guess I made that up too, since I must have done something wrong!
Let me say something before someone says I am lying. Why would I come here and type all this? I have no motive, this was all 7 years ago and is long done. I gain nothing. In fact, you are all probably wondering now if I am in fact a beater of women. So again, if I did this, why not keep my mouth shut? I have a box at home, full of papers and stuff from my ordeal. This is for my daughter when she turns 18. I want her to know the truth about her mother and the lies she is being told about me. I can prove everything I say to her. I have the tapes, the papers, courtroom transcriptions, police reports, everything.
On to your second statement, about how nice and cushy our jails are. Try spending some time there. I don't think you would make it too long!
Let me start. I was denied food for 3 days (the crap they call food). I was beaten by guards at least 7 times I can think of for no reason. I was threatened with death by guards sever times. Several times i saw inmates stripped and humiliated (I assume most prison guards are homosexual based on the number of times they did this, and seemed to enjoy it). I saw them rub an imates face in his own vomit after he threw up, then made him sleep in it. I saw them beat several people for taking back (no freedom of speech in jail). I never talked back or was rude to any of the guards, I did as I was told. Didn't help, they enjoy pushing people around. I guess you think I am lying about all this too.... Well, believe what you want.
As far as regulations on jails, thats all nice and pretty. However, who is going to turn them in if they don't do what they are suposed to? You think anyone is going to believe the criminals? I have seen it firsthand. Call me a liar or whatever you want. I know what I saw. And it was very different than the rosy picture you paint. And what I have saw from Iraq isn't any worse than what I saw being done here.
Carlos: let me be clear about something. I have nothing against you. However, you do not have the facts straight. If you want to think our prisons are country clubs (and I am sure the ones that the rich go to are) then you are just wrong. I once believed as you. I thought everyone in jail deserved it. That jail was a free ride. I considered myself (and still do) a law and order conservative. However, what I saw changed that. Believe me or not. I can't make you believe me. But I hope, and this is not some BS line, that you never wind up in jail. You will find out that I am not joking. I don't wish that on anyone.
Humiliating people and beating them isn't going to "change" them. We don't seem to want to tolerate this in Iraq, so why do we tolerate it here?
Oh, here is my tattoo. Please tell me how this makes me a criminal.
