[Mr 5 0]

Originally posted by bigwhitecobra :

Wow, looks as though I hit one hell of a nerve there.

What you 'hit' was the same note that atheists use, only coming from a professed Christian person, you sound ridiculous doing so. I'm simply trying to point out the fallacy that is inherent in what you say about scripture. If you go around saying you're a Christian and yet deny the truth of the bible, I'm very surprised many others have not already called you on the hypocrisy of that position.

I'm not calling the stories from the Bible a fairy tale, or some other fantasy writing. I was merely stating that I don't personally believe that he walked on water. Unless you count mud puddles with a depth of less than 1/4". I am saying that I understand the story, and it's meaning. And for the meaning intended, it is truth. But not in the way it is written. You are confusing magic with physics. I'm not asking for Jesus to come back to Earth just to show me that he can walk on water. It would help, but I'm not asking. I think that in the story of the storm and the walking on water thing, it gives us the message that Christ can and will be there for us no matter where we are in the world, no matter the time, no matter the place. He will come to us if we ask Him to. For those that ask HIm to come, and then doubt that He is with you, you begin to sink, and yet He will still save you.

You, my friend, are confusing human limitations with the unlimited power of God. When you dismiss the possibility of Jesus walking on water, you're putting human limitations on the Son of God. That makes no sense. If Jesus can save us by His sacrifice on the cross as both the perfect man as well as a Divine entity, why is He not able to perform miracles? He made the water and He can certainly walk on it if He chooses. Your denial of this miracle undercuts the rest of what you say here. You're making up personal interpretations of holy scripture and denying it's power by denying Jesus the ability to do miracles, simply because you don't 'personally believe it'. That indicates you have no faith. You may think you do but when you deny Jesus' ability to perform miracles, then you reduce Him to a mere mortal man, unable to save anyone from anything, even Himself. That is not any kind of faith at all.

I, at no time, said that the Bible was a great piece of fiction. Or some grand Fairy Tale. I believe the Bible is, in it's basic sense, the word of God. The truth is there, you just have to get around all the HUMAN errors.

That position presupposes that God, the inspiration and source for the bible, is unable to prevent mortal men, who, through evil intent or sheer stupidity, have distorted His Word. Made it a lie, full of 'mistakes' and 'errors' (but somehow 'true' all the same). That's an untenable position and one that atheists use to dismiss the bible as garbage. It assumes that Almighty God, the creator of all that exists, simply allowed His Word - the truth you say you believe is 'in there' - to be made very difficult to find and understand because mere men have screwed around with it. How ridiculous is that? You must assume God is helpless to make certain His Word is true and not distorted or changed in ways that make it's truth easy to mock, as so many do. Sorry, millions of Christians don't buy that and neither do I. If that's what you choose to believe, no one can stop you, but it's false and indicates a very shallow 'faith'.

Look at it this way. When Jesus was asked about adultry, He only stated that for a woman to remarry while her husband was still alive, divorced or not, she was an adultress. Nothing was said of man. Could it be that men are meant to go aout and screw as many women as possible? No. I'm going off of memory, so this is not word for word. So if I am wrong, and I'll find out as soon as I get home from school, I will be the first to post it.

Oh boy. More bibical ignorance here. The bible condemns adultery - period.

‘If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge this evil from Israel.’ - (Deuteronomy 22:22)

Jesus described adultery in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus said: "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-30). Notice that Jesus said anyone, not just married men. This is all men, married and unmarried. So if Jesus said that an unmarried man looking lustfully upon a woman has committed adultery in his heart, would it not be safe to say that a unmarried man who has sex with a woman has committed adultery? Sex is to be between husband and wife. That's all. Too bad many who take the name 'Christian' refuse to accept, much less honor this command, but that doesn't make it any less valid.

In the mean time, feel free to pick me apart. You were going to anyway, but at least now you are invited.

Have a good day. And don't forget to wash your brain....uh I mean hands. Heh heh, couldn't resist, I'm sorry for that, but I have ot leave it. It's just funny.

Really, have a good day, and I mean no ill will. Later.

I mean no ill will to you, either. I'm simply pointing out the glaring fallacies you base your 'belief' on, including your denial of the inerrancy of scripture and your choice to put your own interpretation on them; one that denies the scriptures are literally true and that both God and Jesus performed many, many miracles, simply because you, personally, refuse to accept God's power and believe that men changed scripture for some vague purpose that makes the bible now a sham. That's ridiculous. Either the bible is true - or it isn't. Take it or leave it. Playing around with private 'interpretations' that suit what you wish to believe is a huge mistake and will eventually undermine your 'faith'. I doubt you'll remain a Christian long with that kind of outlook on the very source of what you claim to believe about God and Christ. I hope I'm wrong - for your sake, just as I hope you one day re-think your rejection of God's Word for what it is. Not a distorted or altered bunch of words that mere men messed with and changed to suit their purpose thus, thwarting God's purpose - something man cannot do - but the very Power of God to save mankind, if only they will listen - and stop doubting.