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Unit 5302 · 10-17-2001, 07:36 PM

I'm not saying Porsche is junk by any means. Just pointing out the brutal truth that Harley knew they could not build a good engine.

Your insistance that Porsche had a "hand" in building it is pretty misleading though. Again, people in my family who work with guys in the machine industry have direct knowledge that ALL designing of the EVO engines was done by Porsche. The shops here did the machining for the engines. The engines are assembled here in the US to cloud that fact. Porsche basically designed an engine, sent an instruction manual on how to build it, and Harley stamps USA on it.

My feeling on Harley's being around since the 1960's and earlier is some nuts decide they are worth 1000's and 1000's of dollars in repair bills and restoration.

I've always found the Harley Davidson topic to evoke a lot of emotions from people. I'm not sure why to tell you the truth. Perhaps it's the idea that they are the US and the rest of the rockets are outsiders? Who knows, but the general dislike for one type of biker to the next is somewhat interesting. Each group accusing the other of riding a piece of **** . The rocket guy complaining about the Harley being a boat anchor, the Harley rider complaining about the rocket guy always in a hurry. The Harley rider bitching about the rocket being stupid sounding, the rocket rider complaining that the Harley sounds like **** and is too damn loud. They generally disagree on everything, and only stereotypes and single fluke instance cases come out in the arguments.

I honestly feel that the rocket crowd just can't understand why the Harley riders like their bikes, and the Harley riders have actual hatred and anger directed at the rocket guys because they can't figure out why a Harley is so great.

I'll definately have to say the Harley guys have the biggest egos. It's rather fun to watch them crushed from time to time. They pull up to the dyno when 3 other new 600cc sportbikes rip off 100rwhp and they roll their built S&S motored Harley up there expecting to best that with their suped up engine being over 2x as big. When they fail to see triple digit power they always get pissed. So the dyno guy tries to explain torque vs hp and rpms. Doesn't matter. Kinda nice to see the rocket guy flip out when his new "nothing's faster" 600cc bike puts down only 3 more hp with a pipe and jet kit vs stock too. That and the old FZR 1000 just before him that's all clapped out drops down 30 more hp than he does missing on 1 cylinder to 4500rpm because of the rings being so bad. Hahahaha!

10-17-2001, 07:36 PM	#50
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I'm not saying Porsche is junk by any means. Just pointing out the brutal truth that Harley knew they could not build a good engine. Your insistance that Porsche had a "hand" in building it is pretty misleading though. Again, people in my family who work with guys in the machine industry have direct knowledge that ALL designing of the EVO engines was done by Porsche. The shops here did the machining for the engines. The engines are assembled here in the US to cloud that fact. Porsche basically designed an engine, sent an instruction manual on how to build it, and Harley stamps USA on it. My feeling on Harley's being around since the 1960's and earlier is some nuts decide they are worth 1000's and 1000's of dollars in repair bills and restoration. I've always found the Harley Davidson topic to evoke a lot of emotions from people. I'm not sure why to tell you the truth. Perhaps it's the idea that they are the US and the rest of the rockets are outsiders? Who knows, but the general dislike for one type of biker to the next is somewhat interesting. Each group accusing the other of riding a piece of ** . The rocket guy complaining about the Harley being a boat anchor, the Harley rider complaining about the rocket guy always in a hurry. The Harley rider bitching about the rocket being stupid sounding, the rocket rider complaining that the Harley sounds like ** and is too damn loud. They generally disagree on everything, and only stereotypes and single fluke instance cases come out in the arguments. I honestly feel that the rocket crowd just can't understand why the Harley riders like their bikes, and the Harley riders have actual hatred and anger directed at the rocket guys because they can't figure out why a Harley is so great. I'll definately have to say the Harley guys have the biggest egos. It's rather fun to watch them crushed from time to time. They pull up to the dyno when 3 other new 600cc sportbikes rip off 100rwhp and they roll their built S&S motored Harley up there expecting to best that with their suped up engine being over 2x as big. When they fail to see triple digit power they always get pissed. So the dyno guy tries to explain torque vs hp and rpms. Doesn't matter. Kinda nice to see the rocket guy flip out when his new "nothing's faster" 600cc bike puts down only 3 more hp with a pipe and jet kit vs stock too. That and the old FZR 1000 just before him that's all clapped out drops down 30 more hp than he does missing on 1 cylinder to 4500rpm because of the rings being so bad. Hahahaha!