don't want to over cam my car

dlb1982 · 10-08-2002, 08:28 PM

I have all the parts for my 302/331 stoker short block except a cam and and a set of pistons (can't decide). I think i also want to go with an alphabit cam but still want some low end power. I am
headed towards "F"

But sence its a stoker it should have more
torche anyway. So would would F be to much for the streets.
I say ford cause i don't know much about any other brands. So i would consider any cam idea's except for Crane. And Where can i get some decent pistons (low compression) cheap?

And any comments about a 331 stroker would be helpful too. Every little bit could help later on.

One last thing... This engine is for a daily driver w/attitude kinda car.

Eric4Nitrous · 10-08-2002, 09:54 PM

F cam is a awesome cam. It performs extremely well. It's also a good blower cam if you ever decide to throw on a blower. Check with JE, or Ross, or Diamond..any piston manufacturer for some pistons.

dlb1982 · 10-08-2002, 11:28 PM

Well ive been looking around and there are so many cams to choose from. All i want is a cam that has good torche that starts early, and a nice range of rpm's and will still have a good vacume for my EFI mustang.

Does "F" equal or have more low end torch then stock?
What about "B" What would be the biggest differnce betwen "F" and B.

Eric4Nitrous · 10-08-2002, 11:37 PM

F has pretty good low end torque. More so than stock. Only difference between F and the B cam is the duration and lift. The F cam has a intake and exhaust lift of .512 and has a duration of 226 226 at .050. The B cam has an intake and exhaust lift of .480 and the duration is 224 224 @.050. hope this helps.

LX XLR8R · 10-09-2002, 05:10 AM

i was opened to custom cams this year and i swaer by them now..pay the extra $$ over a alphabet no split anything cam and call bennetracing or someone alse and have em cut one just for your car

dlb1982 · 10-09-2002, 07:27 AM

I was told that if split the duration much that it would cause you to loose vacuum... That's sorta why i was going to stick with a ford cam... Any expererience? Anybody?

fiveOguy20 · 10-09-2002, 03:41 PM

im runnin the B cam in my 347 stroker an it still makes awsome power even with the added stroke. for the size thats one hell of a cam, i wouldnt rule it out

dlb1982 · 10-09-2002, 05:17 PM

fiveOguy, how much hp are you running from your setup?

What would be a good set up far as heads and intake... i want to reach 375 hp. But i hear its best to match your heads, intake, and cam up much as possible.

fiveOguy20 · 10-09-2002, 05:49 PM

well i've never had the car dynoed so i dont know for sure but i'd say anywhere from 365-380 at the flywheel. an about 400+ lb. ot torque. its relitively mild 347, but runs very strong.

347, gt-40 aluminum heads, Bcam, crane roller rockers, full MSD ignition, pullies, air-gap intake, BBK equal length shorties, holley 735, 40 series flows.. Lower ends ready for spray

fiveOguy20 · 10-09-2002, 09:55 PM

well its not hard to reach that 375 hp from a 347 haha.. get a good set of heads,cam, an intake an ur pretty much there, what combo u want to run depends on what u want outa the car.. do u want a daily driver or track only car? then decide from there

dlb1982 · 10-09-2002, 10:14 PM

Well i have seen a couple examples of EFI Strokers having 400+ horsepower.... They either had a good set of aluminum heads ported (347 making 475 horse), or they had a set of 4500 dollar heads (331 stroker by bennet racing producing 485 horse.) Both engines where running trick flow heads. So i think my best bet is just to get some heads ported. Still don't know which cam, heads, or intake im going ot use.

Killercanary · 10-10-2002, 10:05 AM

I see you have a 94-95, just be prepared, you will more than likely need a tuning devise of some sort (ie eec tuner, tweecer, custom chip) to get the car to idle with a cam swap. The T4MO computer is finiky when it comes to cam swaps. The E303 is notorious for having idle issues in our cars.

I too suggest the custom cam idea, that's what I did and i couldn't be happier. I made up my mind that I wanted the car to be the best it could be, and I didn't worry about the idle issues as I knew I'd rather get it tuned and have the best cam I could rather than getting a "safe" cam like the steeda #19 and leave some power on the table. I couldn't be happier with the power my car produces and the times it runs due to its weight. I solely recommend Ed Curtis of http://www.flowtechinduction.com He is a great guy to deal with, he is the most helpful person I've ever met, and he knows his stuff. Take a look at his customer page and see what they are running... its impressive!

drudis · 10-10-2002, 10:14 AM

I personally prefer split pattern cams. I have had 7 different cams in the last 2 302 and 351W motors. Most custom designed by myself.
This is an off the shelf (wimpy for my S-trim) TFS stage-I cam:

A wee bit wimpy for my S-trim combo, but wanted NOT to hit 500rwhp and split block, and may get something custom ground next year...

tarmon8r · 10-10-2002, 03:41 PM

for starters, i wouldn't run low compression pistons as you are asking for. and since you are loooking to step up in power and still keep your bottom end torque, you need the compression to make up for your loss of cylinder pressure down low, unless you are going with a blower, but i will assume it will be n/a.i would recommend a cam with about 224 degrees at .050 with a lobe seperation ( this is where you can keep good vacuum at idle) around 114. this will give you good power up to 6000 rpm and still have decent bottom end torque. but i have this recommendation, when you stroke a 302, you are just doing what ford already did for you with the 351. and if you have been in a 351 car, you need to .

82 GT · 10-10-2002, 05:29 PM

Car Craft has an article this month about cam selection. I only skimmed through it at the store but might go back and buy a copy. It looked interesting from what I read.

dlb1982 · 10-10-2002, 10:21 PM

Well i went to the place i got my car dyno'd today and they said a cam with 225 duration and a lift of somewhere around 5.500..

Then he said what you should really do is call and have one made just for you... Man that's twice as much almost but i guess its worth it?

I hate to look back and say man i should have put in a better cam when it was being put together.

This is my first real motor project... so i think i will stay small (302) then work my way up to 351 someday.

10-08-2002, 09:54 PM	#2
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	F cam is a awesome cam. It performs extremely well. It's also a good blower cam if you ever decide to throw on a blower. Check with JE, or Ross, or Diamond..any piston manufacturer for some pistons. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

10-08-2002, 11:28 PM	#3
dlb1982 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Macomb IL Posts: 42	Well ive been looking around and there are so many cams to choose from. All i want is a cam that has good torche that starts early, and a nice range of rpm's and will still have a good vacume for my EFI mustang. Does "F" equal or have more low end torch then stock? What about "B" What would be the biggest differnce betwen "F" and B. __________________ 94 GT (Full length headers, Off Road H Pipe and Flowmasters) MSD Ignition, 75 shot nitrous, cold air induction. 65mm t.b. pulleys and 3:73 gears. everything else STOCK!! 60' = 2.04; 1/4 = 13.9 on street tires dynoed with 87 octane at 240hp 310 lb torch w/out nitrous. Its a pooch but im working on it.

10-08-2002, 11:37 PM	#4
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	F has pretty good low end torque. More so than stock. Only difference between F and the B cam is the duration and lift. The F cam has a intake and exhaust lift of .512 and has a duration of 226 226 at .050. The B cam has an intake and exhaust lift of .480 and the duration is 224 224 @.050. hope this helps. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

10-09-2002, 05:10 AM	#5
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	i was opened to custom cams this year and i swaer by them now..pay the extra $$ over a alphabet no split anything cam and call bennetracing or someone alse and have em cut one just for your car __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

10-09-2002, 05:17 PM	#8
dlb1982 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Macomb IL Posts: 42	fiveOguy, how much hp are you running from your setup? What would be a good set up far as heads and intake... i want to reach 375 hp. But i hear its best to match your heads, intake, and cam up much as possible. __________________ 94 GT (Full length headers, Off Road H Pipe and Flowmasters) MSD Ignition, 75 shot nitrous, cold air induction. 65mm t.b. pulleys and 3:73 gears. everything else STOCK!! 60' = 2.04; 1/4 = 13.9 on street tires dynoed with 87 octane at 240hp 310 lb torch w/out nitrous. Its a pooch but im working on it.

10-08-2002, 08:28 PM	#1
dlb1982 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Macomb IL Posts: 42	don't want to over cam my car I have all the parts for my 302/331 stoker short block except a cam and and a set of pistons (can't decide). I think i also want to go with an alphabit cam but still want some low end power. I am headed towards "F" But sence its a stoker it should have more torche anyway. So would would F be to much for the streets. I say ford cause i don't know much about any other brands. So i would consider any cam idea's except for Crane. And Where can i get some decent pistons (low compression) cheap? And any comments about a 331 stroker would be helpful too. Every little bit could help later on. One last thing... This engine is for a daily driver w/attitude kinda car. __________________ 94 GT (Full length headers, Off Road H Pipe and Flowmasters) MSD Ignition, 75 shot nitrous, cold air induction. 65mm t.b. pulleys and 3:73 gears. everything else STOCK!! 60' = 2.04; 1/4 = 13.9 on street tires dynoed with 87 octane at 240hp 310 lb torch w/out nitrous. Its a pooch but im working on it.

10-09-2002, 07:27 AM	#6
dlb1982 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Macomb IL Posts: 42	I was told that if split the duration much that it would cause you to loose vacuum... That's sorta why i was going to stick with a ford cam... Any expererience? Anybody?

10-09-2002, 03:41 PM	#7
fiveOguy20 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 156	im runnin the B cam in my 347 stroker an it still makes awsome power even with the added stroke. for the size thats one hell of a cam, i wouldnt rule it out

10-09-2002, 05:49 PM	#9
fiveOguy20 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 156	well i've never had the car dynoed so i dont know for sure but i'd say anywhere from 365-380 at the flywheel. an about 400+ lb. ot torque. its relitively mild 347, but runs very strong. 347, gt-40 aluminum heads, Bcam, crane roller rockers, full MSD ignition, pullies, air-gap intake, BBK equal length shorties, holley 735, 40 series flows.. Lower ends ready for spray

10-09-2002, 09:55 PM	#10
fiveOguy20 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 156	well its not hard to reach that 375 hp from a 347 haha.. get a good set of heads,cam, an intake an ur pretty much there, what combo u want to run depends on what u want outa the car.. do u want a daily driver or track only car? then decide from there

10-09-2002, 10:14 PM	#11
dlb1982 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Macomb IL Posts: 42	Well i have seen a couple examples of EFI Strokers having 400+ horsepower.... They either had a good set of aluminum heads ported (347 making 475 horse), or they had a set of 4500 dollar heads (331 stroker by bennet racing producing 485 horse.) Both engines where running trick flow heads. So i think my best bet is just to get some heads ported. Still don't know which cam, heads, or intake im going ot use.

10-10-2002, 10:05 AM	#12
Killercanary Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 336	I see you have a 94-95, just be prepared, you will more than likely need a tuning devise of some sort (ie eec tuner, tweecer, custom chip) to get the car to idle with a cam swap. The T4MO computer is finiky when it comes to cam swaps. The E303 is notorious for having idle issues in our cars. I too suggest the custom cam idea, that's what I did and i couldn't be happier. I made up my mind that I wanted the car to be the best it could be, and I didn't worry about the idle issues as I knew I'd rather get it tuned and have the best cam I could rather than getting a "safe" cam like the steeda #19 and leave some power on the table. I couldn't be happier with the power my car produces and the times it runs due to its weight. I solely recommend Ed Curtis of http://www.flowtechinduction.com He is a great guy to deal with, he is the most helpful person I've ever met, and he knows his stuff. Take a look at his customer page and see what they are running... its impressive! __________________ -Paul Dec '04 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine Featured Car 1995 NA GT CONVERTIBLE BEST PASS TO DATE: 12.19 at 112.51 AFR's, FTI cam, edelbrock intake, EEC TUNER and all the bolt ons on the stock shortblock. http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary

10-10-2002, 10:14 AM	#13
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	I personally prefer split pattern cams. I have had 7 different cams in the last 2 302 and 351W motors. Most custom designed by myself. This is an off the shelf (wimpy for my S-trim) TFS stage-I cam: A wee bit wimpy for my S-trim combo, but wanted NOT to hit 500rwhp and split block, and may get something custom ground next year... __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com

10-10-2002, 03:41 PM	#14
tarmon8r Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: manassas, va Posts: 186	for starters, i wouldn't run low compression pistons as you are asking for. and since you are loooking to step up in power and still keep your bottom end torque, you need the compression to make up for your loss of cylinder pressure down low, unless you are going with a blower, but i will assume it will be n/a.i would recommend a cam with about 224 degrees at .050 with a lobe seperation ( this is where you can keep good vacuum at idle) around 114. this will give you good power up to 6000 rpm and still have decent bottom end torque. but i have this recommendation, when you stroke a 302, you are just doing what ford already did for you with the 351. and if you have been in a 351 car, you need to . __________________ 1983 mustang, 393 cubic inch stroker small block, victor jr heads and intake, gold race 1.6 roller rockers. comp cam 304, 244@ .050. .576" hydralic retro roller cam,lunati rods. block was o-ringed,10:1 forged pistons, speed pro fit fit rings, clevite bearings,msd distributor and igniton,be cool huge radiator, black lite electric fan, march underdrive pulleys, mildon deep sump oil pan, mac 1 3.4" long tube headers, 3" dr gas x-pipe and mac exhaust,ARP bolts. car weighs 2900 lbs w/out driver, sub frames, weld wheels, mickey thompson sportsman pro 26 x 10.5 x 15's,#8 fuel line steel braided

10-10-2002, 05:29 PM	#15
82 GT Import Slayer Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 2,241	Car Craft has an article this month about cam selection. I only skimmed through it at the store but might go back and buy a copy. It looked interesting from what I read. __________________ '82 GT 351W (.060)Comp Cams 274* Extreme Energy cam, ported & polished heads w/ 1.94/1.60 valves 10.3:1 flat top pistons,stealth intake, Mallory dizzy,Holley 750dp carb, BBK shorties,Flowmaster exhaust,C-4 with 3700 stall converter, B&M pro shifter,8.8 rear, 4:10's, subframes, electric fan, powermaster alternator, 4 core radiator.

10-10-2002, 10:21 PM	#16
dlb1982 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Macomb IL Posts: 42	Well i went to the place i got my car dyno'd today and they said a cam with 225 duration and a lift of somewhere around 5.500.. Then he said what you should really do is call and have one made just for you... Man that's twice as much almost but i guess its worth it? I hate to look back and say man i should have put in a better cam when it was being put together. This is my first real motor project... so i think i will stay small (302) then work my way up to 351 someday. __________________ 94 GT (Full length headers, Off Road H Pipe and Flowmasters) MSD Ignition, 75 shot nitrous, cold air induction. 65mm t.b. pulleys and 3:73 gears. everything else STOCK!! 60' = 2.04; 1/4 = 13.9 on street tires dynoed with 87 octane at 240hp 310 lb torch w/out nitrous. Its a pooch but im working on it.