Opinions on this combo

skiwesser · 09-26-2005, 02:20 AM

New rebuild under way, 306, Forged pistons, Eagle rods, stock crank, Typhoon intake ('cause I got one), 65mm T.B., 70mm "cobra" air meter ('cause I got 'em), AFR 165 heads, Trick flow #1 cam (221*/225*@.050 .530/.542 lift W/ my 1.7 RR's).

Question is I'm thinking of buying the pedastal mount version of the AFR's so I can keep my ped. mount 1.7 RR's. Is this a good idea, does it make a big diffrence VS stud mount? I plan to spray it with a 100-125 shot.

What do you think of cam choice, will it be too much for a 70-80% street car? 5-speed 3.73's. I plan to spray it with a 100-125 shot. So I'll be buying a Tremec when T-5 goes.

Any suggestions greatly apprieciated

skiwesser · 10-02-2005, 06:22 PM

Any opinions at all before I spend $1300 on the pedestal mount AFR 165's.

Will this cam and rocker choice be streetable, I'm afraid of the lift vs. dur since the cam is designed for a 1.6 R arm.
I could'nt tell much of a diffrence when I got the 1.7's with stock cam & heads but I am thinking that may be a diffrent story now.

I need help as I don't want to put together a mis-matched combo, although I've done some homework so I think I got a good street motor figured??

~The Jester~ · 10-02-2005, 07:49 PM

Ski, IMHO there is NO place on a performance engine for pedistal rockers. Spend the cash now, but the studs, guide plates, stud mount rockers, and go for broke now. Throw the ped's on ebay, some "kid" will snag the 1.7's up.

One of my favorite saying in this "business":

"Do it RIGHT, or do it AGAIN!"

Jeff Chambers · 10-03-2005, 06:23 AM

I'd go with the CNC machined Trick Flow heads over the AFR's any day. Seen too many problems with the AFR's and they can't hold a candle to the new CNC machined trick flows.

smokedchevy · 10-06-2005, 01:59 AM

I agree with Jester. Do it once and do it right. He also told me once, as I was thinking of buying cheap Chinese cylinder heads, "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"

Go with the stud mount rockers. Some nice extruded or billet aluminum. I have the Ford motorsport rockers. They rock!! Get it? Seriously, the engine spins to 6500 rpm with a 560 lift solid lifter cam and I've had no problems.

skiwesser · 10-09-2005, 06:02 AM

Well, now I think I'm gonna just go with Edelbrock Performer and forget about "valve float".
I sure can't stretch budget to make the Trick Flow CNC'd heads a realality, what are they like $2000.

~The Jester~ · 10-09-2005, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokedchevy

Seriously, the engine spins to 6500 rpm with a 560 lift solid lifter cam and I've had no problems.

I'm running Trick Flow 1.7 rockers with ALOT more lift than that. Shifting at 7,500 RPM.

smokedchevy · 10-09-2005, 11:34 PM

7,500 rpm and more lift than me? I wish I had your car!! I'd be happy with an 11.99!! And my car's a trailer queen.

skiwesser · 10-23-2005, 02:04 AM

Well, after a lot of phone calls and lost sleep, I bought AFR 165's stud mount & 1.6 RR's. Now I gotta decide on the Trick Flow #1 cam or a custom grind? Any suggestions?
Why do comp cams cost so much?
Like $370??

~The Jester~ · 10-23-2005, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skiwesser

Well, after a lot of phone calls and lost sleep, I bought AFR 165's stud mount & 1.6 RR's. Now I gotta decide on the Trick Flow #1 cam or a custom grind? Any suggestions?
Why do comp cams cost so much?
Like $370??

I vote custom grind. Cam Motion "dahn nare" in Lousianna (www.cammotion.com) will fix you right up. Be prepared though, they'll want to know EVERYTHING about the car. Cubes, intake, heads, headers, trans, gear ratios, tire size, etc etc.

Glad to see you went with a good set of heads. You WON'T be sorry about that decision!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokedchevy

7,500 rpm and more lift than me? I wish I had your car!! I'd be happy with an 11.99!! And my car's a trailer queen.

You mean the Falcon? I love that old school shyt. I'd trade my Stang for a Fairlane/Galaxie TODAY! It'd have to be the RIGHT Fairlane, but there's not a doubt in my mind.

I leave the line at 6000, shift at 7500, and she's still pulling hard. John (owner of Canfield heads) said to shift at 7700 and see what happens, but I'm a bit chicken to wind her up that hard.

skiwesser · 10-27-2005, 11:09 PM

Got the AFR's in today, they are BEUT-I-FUL!!!

10-02-2005, 06:22 PM	#2
skiwesser Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: rock hill,S.C. 29730 Posts: 420	Re: Opinions on this combo Any opinions at all before I spend $1300 on the pedestal mount AFR 165's. Will this cam and rocker choice be streetable, I'm afraid of the lift vs. dur since the cam is designed for a 1.6 R arm. I could'nt tell much of a diffrence when I got the 1.7's with stock cam & heads but I am thinking that may be a diffrent story now. I need help as I don't want to put together a mis-matched combo, although I've done some homework so I think I got a good street motor figured?? __________________ 88 GT: subs,pullies, 1 3/4 longtubes, flowmasters, AFR 165's,T,F #1 cam,Thyphoon intake, 24# inj., 73mm C&L,65mmT.B., 190LPH pump, Eagle sir rods, forged pistons in a newly rebuilt 306. DYNO TUNED TO 300.97 RWHP 337RWTQ

10-02-2005, 07:49 PM	#3
~The Jester~ Rat Killer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cold ass Ohio Posts: 1,143	Re: Opinions on this combo Ski, IMHO there is NO place on a performance engine for pedistal rockers. Spend the cash now, but the studs, guide plates, stud mount rockers, and go for broke now. Throw the ped's on ebay, some "kid" will snag the 1.7's up. One of my favorite saying in this "business": "Do it RIGHT, or do it AGAIN!" __________________ d-Con Racing "Nothing fancy, just 347 inches of RAT POISON!" MICE need not apply.....

10-03-2005, 06:23 AM	#4
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	Re: Opinions on this combo I'd go with the CNC machined Trick Flow heads over the AFR's any day. Seen too many problems with the AFR's and they can't hold a candle to the new CNC machined trick flows. __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

10-06-2005, 01:59 AM	#5
smokedchevy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ventura,CA Posts: 438	Re: Opinions on this combo I agree with Jester. Do it once and do it right. He also told me once, as I was thinking of buying cheap Chinese cylinder heads, "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?" Go with the stud mount rockers. Some nice extruded or billet aluminum. I have the Ford motorsport rockers. They rock!! Get it? Seriously, the engine spins to 6500 rpm with a 560 lift solid lifter cam and I've had no problems. __________________ 92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters 65 Mustang 13.50 107mph 3000' ALt. 65 Falcon Straight Axle Drag Car

10-09-2005, 06:02 AM	#6
skiwesser Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: rock hill,S.C. 29730 Posts: 420	Re: Opinions on this combo Well, now I think I'm gonna just go with Edelbrock Performer and forget about "valve float". I sure can't stretch budget to make the Trick Flow CNC'd heads a realality, what are they like $2000. __________________ 88 GT: subs,pullies, 1 3/4 longtubes, flowmasters, AFR 165's,T,F #1 cam,Thyphoon intake, 24# inj., 73mm C&L,65mmT.B., 190LPH pump, Eagle sir rods, forged pistons in a newly rebuilt 306. DYNO TUNED TO 300.97 RWHP 337RWTQ

09-26-2005, 02:20 AM	#1
skiwesser Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: rock hill,S.C. 29730 Posts: 420	Opinions on this combo New rebuild under way, 306, Forged pistons, Eagle rods, stock crank, Typhoon intake ('cause I got one), 65mm T.B., 70mm "cobra" air meter ('cause I got 'em), AFR 165 heads, Trick flow #1 cam (221/225@.050 .530/.542 lift W/ my 1.7 RR's). Question is I'm thinking of buying the pedastal mount version of the AFR's so I can keep my ped. mount 1.7 RR's. Is this a good idea, does it make a big diffrence VS stud mount? I plan to spray it with a 100-125 shot. What do you think of cam choice, will it be too much for a 70-80% street car? 5-speed 3.73's. I plan to spray it with a 100-125 shot. So I'll be buying a Tremec when T-5 goes. Any suggestions greatly apprieciated __________________ 88 GT: subs,pullies, 1 3/4 longtubes, flowmasters, AFR 165's,T,F #1 cam,Thyphoon intake, 24# inj., 73mm C&L,65mmT.B., 190LPH pump, Eagle sir rods, forged pistons in a newly rebuilt 306. DYNO TUNED TO 300.97 RWHP 337RWTQ

10-09-2005, 11:34 PM	#8
smokedchevy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ventura,CA Posts: 438	Re: Opinions on this combo 7,500 rpm and more lift than me? I wish I had your car!! I'd be happy with an 11.99!! And my car's a trailer queen. __________________ 92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters 65 Mustang 13.50 107mph 3000' ALt. 65 Falcon Straight Axle Drag Car

10-23-2005, 02:04 AM	#9
skiwesser Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: rock hill,S.C. 29730 Posts: 420	Re: Opinions on this combo Well, after a lot of phone calls and lost sleep, I bought AFR 165's stud mount & 1.6 RR's. Now I gotta decide on the Trick Flow #1 cam or a custom grind? Any suggestions? Why do comp cams cost so much? Like $370?? __________________ 88 GT: subs,pullies, 1 3/4 longtubes, flowmasters, AFR 165's,T,F #1 cam,Thyphoon intake, 24# inj., 73mm C&L,65mmT.B., 190LPH pump, Eagle sir rods, forged pistons in a newly rebuilt 306. DYNO TUNED TO 300.97 RWHP 337RWTQ

10-27-2005, 11:09 PM	#11
skiwesser Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: rock hill,S.C. 29730 Posts: 420	Re: Opinions on this combo Got the AFR's in today, they are BEUT-I-FUL!!! __________________ 88 GT: subs,pullies, 1 3/4 longtubes, flowmasters, AFR 165's,T,F #1 cam,Thyphoon intake, 24# inj., 73mm C&L,65mmT.B., 190LPH pump, Eagle sir rods, forged pistons in a newly rebuilt 306. DYNO TUNED TO 300.97 RWHP 337RWTQ

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