Tossing around the idea of putting a 4.6 in my 6cyl 64 1/2!

Mercury · 09-25-2001, 01:32 AM

My 6 cyl 64 1/2 (My first car)is in real SAD shape. The Shock towers are toast, the front passenger side frame extension is bent. The Trunk is a collection of fine antique rust. The Cruise O' Matic slips in all gears (Foward clutches probably toast) The 170 in pieces.

The BOdy is in great shape, and for some reason, so are the floor pans and Torque box.

I've been thinking of starting to collect parts to convert the old girl over to a Mod motor. Since everything needs redone and replaced anyway, I thought might as well do something alittle diffrent with it.

Just think what a 2001 4V or even the 260 horse 2V 4.6 would do in that light as hell car. I imagine it would rip along pretty good. The only problem I really see (other than cutting the shock towers out and replacing the whole front suspension) is the clearance of the tranny (T-45 or T-3560) and postion of the engine. Any one have any ideas or pointer?

Anyone know any internet sites I can get info from?

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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters, Steeda Tri-Ax
64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Future resto.

Coupe Devil · 09-25-2001, 11:11 AM

In response to your extremely creative wishes, you must take into account that a 4.6 is 4 inches wider that a 460cid motor. I know you have to do MAJOR renovation to get the 460 into the bay of that car I can't imagine what would have to be done for the 4.6. The advantage would be weight. Those 4.6's are pretty light aren't they? MY buddy ahs an all aluminum one in a cougar. Are thaey all that way. How much bugger is the t-45 than a t-5. Kits are available to put the t-5 behind a 351 in those cars I know for a fact. If it is n't much bigger I'd say it would fit. I know it takes some work with the persuader (a.k.a hammer) to do the t-5 swap. I say go for it. It would be something that noone else has. At least I've never seen one, and all I do is look at mustang stuff all day.

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'93 lx notch 4 banger (drive it to work currently), Using the 306, 8.8 posi, 4.10's, summit rear cover, elec. fan, cowl hood, wieand stealth intake, holley 650 d.p.carb., built c-4, e-303, full autometer guages, msd box, mallory unilite dist, and coil, roll cage, summit seat, subs, 15x10's in the back with slicks, skinnies up front, all in use for 1988 Hatch Drag Car. Hope to start running next year. Hoping for 7.20's after all is done with small motor.

Mercury · 09-25-2001, 12:40 PM

Well I know you have to remove the shock towers completely and change over the front suspension. As for weight, both motors, the 4V and 2V are heavier than the old 289 and 302's.

I was wandering about engine placement, drive shaft length is a ford 9 is used (Although they had diffrent length yokes), and brake issues.

Coupe Devil · 09-25-2001, 01:25 PM

I believe all the questions you have you will have to answer yourself. Sorry man. I dont know of any info about swap parts, sizes, placement, and such that exists. I would say to try to locate a junk motor and tranny for a while. Use the junk stuff to fit the car and see what mods you have to do from there. You could use them to find location and I would say you could get a junk block and tranny hull from any junk yard for a couple hundred bucks.

What about finding a wrecked lightning. You could maybe get everything you need and have that little whirrly bird on top as well. I would it would make for one H%$& of a ride.

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'93 lx notch 4 banger (drive it to work currently), Using the 306, 8.8 posi, 4.10's, summit rear cover, elec. fan, cowl hood, wieand stealth intake, holley 650 d.p.carb., built c-4, e-303, full autometer guages, msd box, mallory unilite dist, and coil, roll cage, summit seat, subs, 15x10's in the back with slicks, skinnies up front, all in use for 1988 Hatch Drag Car. Hope to start running next year. Hoping for 7.20's after all is done with small motor.

69fastback · 09-25-2001, 08:40 PM

I have seen this done in a Issue of mustang and fords. the magazine is mostly about classics. They had a 4v 281 in a 65 mustang. The thing looked awesome. Most of the stuff was fabracated though. U will have to do lots of work like that. Know there are lots of kits to put a FI 302 into it that has been done lots of times. If u want to be different though the 4.6 would be better.

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

crewzin · 09-25-2001, 08:42 PM

That would be a really good project to do. Nobody that ive seen has done that, except a 80 yr old guy here. He put one in a roadster, it was neat as hell.Looked like a Hemi 429 from a distance with a custom (Hilborn style)intake. He said it got 24 miles to the gallon and cruised at 75 great.O to 60 in 4 and some change seconds. It really wouldnt be that bad to do. Cut out the inner fender and weld in some supports with a tubular cage from the firewall to the frame. Then a coil front end. The motor would be killer with a carb.Get a custon intake built. The ignition would be simple. It already is fired by crank trigger, add a msd trigger system. The mods look so cool wide, light, and next to nothing on the front. Water pump, alt short belted with electric fan. It would be the s**t!

09-25-2001, 11:28 PM

all the above reply's are right , it would be one heck of a project , iwas used to my 69 ,302 iwent car shopping opened the 00 gt hood , said dam- that's only 281 cube's , fender to fender i'm re- thinking on putting header's on now good luck though.

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Mercury · 09-26-2001, 01:28 AM

Yeah, I saw the Metal Blue 65 convertabile that had the Cobra 4.6 in it in Mustang and Fords I believe. I know i have it around here somewhere.

Seen to many fuel injected 302's in first Gen Stangs, I thought about fuel injecting my 289, but decided not to.

I saw the Falcon I wanted to build in an recent issue of Mustang & FOrds, so scratch that (Although I'm still tossing that around).

I think with a 2001 Cobra 4V 4.6 in a light a$$ 64 1/2 hardtop should be able to run high 12's using 3:27's or lower ratio with a T-45.

The engine swap isnt the part worrying me, its the brakes and suspension part of it that is. Hmmmmmm Guess its time to go junk yard part pricing again.

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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters, Steeda Tri-Ax
64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Future resto.

09-26-2001, 02:07 AM

hey , merc if you cant find a newer stang with 4 wheel disc set up look for an 80's modl granada v-8 or good luck on this a lincolnn mark 7 boyh are 4 wheel disck plus i think 9 inch rear end , direct bolt on to the old pony's i looked for a while to updated my 69 grande to rear wheel disk brake's, hard to find, oh well my son has the 69 now so i'ts up to him. dammm he got it going again , i may take it back , doh! signed the title. just kidding good luck!
oh yeah i think the granada frnt end is a bolt right in thing.have to go back to the old mustang monthly mag's i could be wrong, see ya
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Mach 1 · 09-26-2001, 08:14 AM

Dont forget about our old friend OBDII. Do you want to deal with a OBDII fuel injected computer on a 64'?

Custom intake for a carb was mentioned.

The bottom line is how much money do you have? Anythings possible with the proper finances backing you.

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1993 GT/AOD
'93 Mustang GT

347MOM · 09-26-2001, 10:10 AM

HEY MERCURY, IVE GOT SOMETHING TO LIGHT YOU FIRE. I PUT ON THE CLASSIFIED SECTION A 5.4 SOHC MOD MOTOR FOR SALE OR TRADE. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT MOTOR FOR YOUR PROJECT. EMAIL ME IF YOUR INTERESTED. ITS GOT 20K ON IT.

PGkelly · 09-26-2001, 05:13 PM

hey, 347mom, i think your keyboard is broken, it looks like your caps lock is on.

Mercury--go for a DOHC 5.4. like in a cobra R. dealer near me had a couple they were selling a few months ago. THAT would be cool.

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If it ain't broke, make it go faster

AOL: MCVillain45

Coupe Devil · 09-27-2001, 09:43 AM

Dude I was just thumbin through the new 5.0 magazine and Mustang Parts Specialties Inc. in WInder Ga. has cobra mtotr and tranny combos for sale for $3995 startimng price. Their as is on page 154 of the october issue. Check it out.

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'93 lx notch 4 banger (drive it to work currently), Using the 306, 8.8 posi, 4.10's, summit rear cover, elec. fan, cowl hood, wieand stealth intake, holley 650 d.p.carb., built c-4, e-303, full autometer guages, msd box, mallory unilite dist, and coil, roll cage, summit seat, subs, 15x10's in the back with slicks, skinnies up front, all in use for 1988 Hatch Drag Car. Hope to start running next year. Hoping for 7.20's after all is done with small motor.

09-25-2001, 01:32 AM	#1
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Tossing around the idea of putting a 4.6 in my 6cyl 64 1/2! My 6 cyl 64 1/2 (My first car)is in real SAD shape. The Shock towers are toast, the front passenger side frame extension is bent. The Trunk is a collection of fine antique rust. The Cruise O' Matic slips in all gears (Foward clutches probably toast) The 170 in pieces. The BOdy is in great shape, and for some reason, so are the floor pans and Torque box. I've been thinking of starting to collect parts to convert the old girl over to a Mod motor. Since everything needs redone and replaced anyway, I thought might as well do something alittle diffrent with it. Just think what a 2001 4V or even the 260 horse 2V 4.6 would do in that light as hell car. I imagine it would rip along pretty good. The only problem I really see (other than cutting the shock towers out and replacing the whole front suspension) is the clearance of the tranny (T-45 or T-3560) and postion of the engine. Any one have any ideas or pointer? Anyone know any internet sites I can get info from? ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters, Steeda Tri-Ax 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Future resto.

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09-25-2001, 11:11 AM	#2
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	In response to your extremely creative wishes, you must take into account that a 4.6 is 4 inches wider that a 460cid motor. I know you have to do MAJOR renovation to get the 460 into the bay of that car I can't imagine what would have to be done for the 4.6. The advantage would be weight. Those 4.6's are pretty light aren't they? MY buddy ahs an all aluminum one in a cougar. Are thaey all that way. How much bugger is the t-45 than a t-5. Kits are available to put the t-5 behind a 351 in those cars I know for a fact. If it is n't much bigger I'd say it would fit. I know it takes some work with the persuader (a.k.a hammer) to do the t-5 swap. I say go for it. It would be something that noone else has. At least I've never seen one, and all I do is look at mustang stuff all day. ------------------ '93 lx notch 4 banger (drive it to work currently), Using the 306, 8.8 posi, 4.10's, summit rear cover, elec. fan, cowl hood, wieand stealth intake, holley 650 d.p.carb., built c-4, e-303, full autometer guages, msd box, mallory unilite dist, and coil, roll cage, summit seat, subs, 15x10's in the back with slicks, skinnies up front, all in use for 1988 Hatch Drag Car. Hope to start running next year. Hoping for 7.20's after all is done with small motor.

09-25-2001, 12:40 PM	#3
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Well I know you have to remove the shock towers completely and change over the front suspension. As for weight, both motors, the 4V and 2V are heavier than the old 289 and 302's. I was wandering about engine placement, drive shaft length is a ford 9 is used (Although they had diffrent length yokes), and brake issues.

09-25-2001, 01:25 PM	#4
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	I believe all the questions you have you will have to answer yourself. Sorry man. I dont know of any info about swap parts, sizes, placement, and such that exists. I would say to try to locate a junk motor and tranny for a while. Use the junk stuff to fit the car and see what mods you have to do from there. You could use them to find location and I would say you could get a junk block and tranny hull from any junk yard for a couple hundred bucks. What about finding a wrecked lightning. You could maybe get everything you need and have that little whirrly bird on top as well. I would it would make for one H%$& of a ride. ------------------ '93 lx notch 4 banger (drive it to work currently), Using the 306, 8.8 posi, 4.10's, summit rear cover, elec. fan, cowl hood, wieand stealth intake, holley 650 d.p.carb., built c-4, e-303, full autometer guages, msd box, mallory unilite dist, and coil, roll cage, summit seat, subs, 15x10's in the back with slicks, skinnies up front, all in use for 1988 Hatch Drag Car. Hope to start running next year. Hoping for 7.20's after all is done with small motor.

09-25-2001, 08:40 PM	#5
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	I have seen this done in a Issue of mustang and fords. the magazine is mostly about classics. They had a 4v 281 in a 65 mustang. The thing looked awesome. Most of the stuff was fabracated though. U will have to do lots of work like that. Know there are lots of kits to put a FI 302 into it that has been done lots of times. If u want to be different though the 4.6 would be better. ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

09-25-2001, 08:42 PM	#6
crewzin Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sour Lake, TX Posts: 211	That would be a really good project to do. Nobody that ive seen has done that, except a 80 yr old guy here. He put one in a roadster, it was neat as hell.Looked like a Hemi 429 from a distance with a custom (Hilborn style)intake. He said it got 24 miles to the gallon and cruised at 75 great.O to 60 in 4 and some change seconds. It really wouldnt be that bad to do. Cut out the inner fender and weld in some supports with a tubular cage from the firewall to the frame. Then a coil front end. The motor would be killer with a carb.Get a custon intake built. The ignition would be simple. It already is fired by crank trigger, add a msd trigger system. The mods look so cool wide, light, and next to nothing on the front. Water pump, alt short belted with electric fan. It would be the s**t!

09-25-2001, 11:28 PM	#7
mustang marty gt Guest Posts: n/a	all the above reply's are right , it would be one heck of a project , iwas used to my 69 ,302 iwent car shopping opened the 00 gt hood , said dam- that's only 281 cube's , fender to fender i'm re- thinking on putting header's on now good luck though. ------------------

09-26-2001, 01:28 AM	#8
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Yeah, I saw the Metal Blue 65 convertabile that had the Cobra 4.6 in it in Mustang and Fords I believe. I know i have it around here somewhere. Seen to many fuel injected 302's in first Gen Stangs, I thought about fuel injecting my 289, but decided not to. I saw the Falcon I wanted to build in an recent issue of Mustang & FOrds, so scratch that (Although I'm still tossing that around). I think with a 2001 Cobra 4V 4.6 in a light a$$ 64 1/2 hardtop should be able to run high 12's using 3:27's or lower ratio with a T-45. The engine swap isnt the part worrying me, its the brakes and suspension part of it that is. Hmmmmmm Guess its time to go junk yard part pricing again. ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters, Steeda Tri-Ax 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Future resto.

09-26-2001, 02:07 AM	#9
mustang marty gt Guest Posts: n/a	hey , merc if you cant find a newer stang with 4 wheel disc set up look for an 80's modl granada v-8 or good luck on this a lincolnn mark 7 boyh are 4 wheel disck plus i think 9 inch rear end , direct bolt on to the old pony's i looked for a while to updated my 69 grande to rear wheel disk brake's, hard to find, oh well my son has the 69 now so i'ts up to him. dammm he got it going again , i may take it back , doh! signed the title. just kidding good luck! oh yeah i think the granada frnt end is a bolt right in thing.have to go back to the old mustang monthly mag's i could be wrong, see ya ------------------ [This message has been edited by mustang marty gt (edited 09-26-2001).]

09-26-2001, 08:14 AM	#10
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Dont forget about our old friend OBDII. Do you want to deal with a OBDII fuel injected computer on a 64'? Custom intake for a carb was mentioned. The bottom line is how much money do you have? Anythings possible with the proper finances backing you. ------------------ 1993 GT/AOD '93 Mustang GT

09-26-2001, 10:10 AM	#11
347MOM Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: SOUR LAKE,TX (U.S.A.) Posts: 64	HEY MERCURY, IVE GOT SOMETHING TO LIGHT YOU FIRE. I PUT ON THE CLASSIFIED SECTION A 5.4 SOHC MOD MOTOR FOR SALE OR TRADE. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT MOTOR FOR YOUR PROJECT. EMAIL ME IF YOUR INTERESTED. ITS GOT 20K ON IT.

09-26-2001, 05:13 PM	#12
PGkelly Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 274	hey, 347mom, i think your keyboard is broken, it looks like your caps lock is on. Mercury--go for a DOHC 5.4. like in a cobra R. dealer near me had a couple they were selling a few months ago. THAT would be cool. ------------------ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45

09-27-2001, 09:43 AM	#13
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	Dude I was just thumbin through the new 5.0 magazine and Mustang Parts Specialties Inc. in WInder Ga. has cobra mtotr and tranny combos for sale for $3995 startimng price. Their as is on page 154 of the october issue. Check it out. ------------------ '93 lx notch 4 banger (drive it to work currently), Using the 306, 8.8 posi, 4.10's, summit rear cover, elec. fan, cowl hood, wieand stealth intake, holley 650 d.p.carb., built c-4, e-303, full autometer guages, msd box, mallory unilite dist, and coil, roll cage, summit seat, subs, 15x10's in the back with slicks, skinnies up front, all in use for 1988 Hatch Drag Car. Hope to start running next year. Hoping for 7.20's after all is done with small motor.