PKRWUD any ideas?

DemonGT · 08-21-2002, 06:38 AM

ok this is what happend

i was going to drive my car to work but when i got in it and tryed starting it it wouldnt turn over...battery was dead..didnt even click click...then a day later i had the battery charger ready to go but i thought.."wonder what would happen if i tryed starting it" so i did and when i turned the key on all the dash lights worked cd player came on ...car started right up no prob...checked batt. terminals..there tight...wires look ok....no sign of weak battery...battery is only mabe two months old..and with brand new terminals...iv heard of dead batterys recharging a bit if you let them sit but this thing is like it was never dead and there was nothing left on or anything ..why would it be dead like that then not at all?

USMC302 · 08-21-2002, 07:00 AM

usually that is the result of a loose battery cable, but you said they were all tight. Could be the start of a faulty safety switch, it could have come off it's holder or shifted to the side and when you tried to start it the one day it wasn't pushing it in, and now it is, just shooting in the dark thoughm glad it's back up and running.

Harry · 08-21-2002, 08:01 AM

I agree with USMC302. The exact same thing happened to me in my old F-150. One day absolutely nothing, the next day it would work just fine. Had to take it to the Ford Dealer to get it fixed. Turns out something in the steering column that dealt with the ignition switch went bad. Didn't have any problems after that.

Hope this helps.

Harry

Chevyguy · 08-21-2002, 12:03 PM

My 91 went dead a few times when it was only a month or two old. Turned out the battery terminal was getting dirty !! Took a multimeter, probed the bat terminals, no voltage, probed the batt posts, 12.8V

after that I kept a terminal cleaner and wrench in the car

PKRWUD · 08-21-2002, 01:26 PM

When you tried to start it the first time, did you get dash lights?

Try and remember this for future reference:

If it won't start, turn on the headlights, and observe them when you try to start it. If they get really dull when you turn the key, the battery needs to be charged. If the shut off when you turn the key, the negative battery cable needs to be cleaned and secured. If they don't change at all when you turn the key, there is a problem with the ignition switch circuit, which includes your clutch safety switch. When this last one is what happens, take the tranny out of gear, turn the key all the way to start, and pump the clutch pedal. If it tries to start, replace the clutch pedal switch. If it doesn't, then verify that you get voltage to the little press-on wire at the starter relay when the key is turned to start. If it does, the problem is either the relay or the starter, and if it doesn't get voltage, then the problem is in the ignition switch itself, or in the column.

See, piece of cake.

Take care,
~Chris

DemonGT · 08-21-2002, 06:38 PM

..cant remember to well but it seems that when i turned the key on i had dash lights but soon as i turned it to try starting it,it suddenly went dead...after i tryed starting it i fliped the head light switch and they wouldnt turn on at all

PKRWUD · 08-21-2002, 06:49 PM

That is usually a bad connection between the battery cable and the battery post. Even if it's tight, pull the cables off and clean them (with a battery post cleaner).

Then check the connection where ever the neg cable attaches.

Take care,
~Chris

DemonGT · 08-22-2002, 06:41 AM

where can i get this battery cleaner?....on a side note...i tryed checking my TPS..put the pins in the cables and all that..and it didnt work..the needle didnt move..and it was set right ...what kind of pins do i use? do i put them all the way through?

PKRWUD · 08-22-2002, 11:25 AM

Go to any auto parts store, and ask for a battery terminal cleaning tool. It will have a male wire brush on one end, and a female wire brush on the other.

TPS:
Use two small safety pins, and completely pierce the Green and Black wires. Attach the DMM pos lead to the safety pin in the green wire, and the neg lead to the pin in the black wire. Turn on the DMM to DC Volts on the 20 scale. Turn on the ignition, and read the DMM. What does it say? Now move the throttle to WOT. What does the DMM say? Release the throttle, and slowly move it to WOT. Does the DMM increase smoothly?

Post your results.

Take care,
~Chris

DemonGT · 08-22-2002, 06:57 PM

i dont have safty pins..i have the kind of pins that come in a dress shirt when you buy it...

PKRWUD · 08-22-2002, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DemonGT
i dont have safty pins..i have the kind of pins that come in a dress shirt when you buy it...

$1.09 for 50 of them at the supermarket, but whatever. Use those if you want to, but I don't want to hear about it when you stick yourself because the pin bent.

Good luck.

Take care,
~Chris

Agent_4573 · 08-22-2002, 07:14 PM

I used a couple of sewing needles i found laying around the house.

08-21-2002, 06:38 AM	#1
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	PKRWUD any ideas? ok this is what happend i was going to drive my car to work but when i got in it and tryed starting it it wouldnt turn over...battery was dead..didnt even click click...then a day later i had the battery charger ready to go but i thought.."wonder what would happen if i tryed starting it" so i did and when i turned the key on all the dash lights worked cd player came on ...car started right up no prob...checked batt. terminals..there tight...wires look ok....no sign of weak battery...battery is only mabe two months old..and with brand new terminals...iv heard of dead batterys recharging a bit if you let them sit but this thing is like it was never dead and there was nothing left on or anything ..why would it be dead like that then not at all? __________________ '91 GT,410W,10.5 to 1 comp,Victor Jr. heads,Victor 5.8 intake,FTI cam,Crane retro fit lifters,Scorpian 1.6 RR's,Melling HV oil pump,MSD distro.,Canton oil pan,FMS flywheel,Romac balancer,FMS timing chain,Accufab 90mm TB,C&L 76mm maf, 42lbers,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Pro dumps,powerchamber,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Ford Racing gauges,5inch Tach,centerline convo pro's,nitto DR's,Pro3i lower control arms,50/50 shocks,3.55 gears,TFS HD diff. cover Next year: Tremec TKO,Spec stage 3 clutch,alum driveshaft,complete fuel system www.angelfire.com/linux/demondan

08-21-2002, 07:00 AM	#2
USMC302 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Gallatin, Tn Posts: 1,326	usually that is the result of a loose battery cable, but you said they were all tight. Could be the start of a faulty safety switch, it could have come off it's holder or shifted to the side and when you tried to start it the one day it wasn't pushing it in, and now it is, just shooting in the dark thoughm glad it's back up and running. __________________

08-21-2002, 08:01 AM	#3
Harry Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Dayton, OH USA Posts: 678	I agree with USMC302. The exact same thing happened to me in my old F-150. One day absolutely nothing, the next day it would work just fine. Had to take it to the Ford Dealer to get it fixed. Turns out something in the steering column that dealt with the ignition switch went bad. Didn't have any problems after that. Hope this helps. Harry __________________ 1985 Mustang GT 2002 F-150

08-21-2002, 12:03 PM	#4
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	My 91 went dead a few times when it was only a month or two old. Turned out the battery terminal was getting dirty !! Took a multimeter, probed the bat terminals, no voltage, probed the batt posts, 12.8V after that I kept a terminal cleaner and wrench in the car __________________ 2001 Crown Vic Maurader Airbox/MAF, DR chip Edel IAS shocks Single exhaust :wtf: 93 P-71 Vic interceptor Backup car now 90 5.0 LX Notch SOLD 74 Chevy Laguna type S-3 454 under construction Currently apart undergoing bodywork.

08-21-2002, 01:26 PM	#5
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	When you tried to start it the first time, did you get dash lights? Try and remember this for future reference: If it won't start, turn on the headlights, and observe them when you try to start it. If they get really dull when you turn the key, the battery needs to be charged. If the shut off when you turn the key, the negative battery cable needs to be cleaned and secured. If they don't change at all when you turn the key, there is a problem with the ignition switch circuit, which includes your clutch safety switch. When this last one is what happens, take the tranny out of gear, turn the key all the way to start, and pump the clutch pedal. If it tries to start, replace the clutch pedal switch. If it doesn't, then verify that you get voltage to the little press-on wire at the starter relay when the key is turned to start. If it does, the problem is either the relay or the starter, and if it doesn't get voltage, then the problem is in the ignition switch itself, or in the column. See, piece of cake. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-21-2002, 06:38 PM	#6
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	..cant remember to well but it seems that when i turned the key on i had dash lights but soon as i turned it to try starting it,it suddenly went dead...after i tryed starting it i fliped the head light switch and they wouldnt turn on at all __________________ '91 GT,410W,10.5 to 1 comp,Victor Jr. heads,Victor 5.8 intake,FTI cam,Crane retro fit lifters,Scorpian 1.6 RR's,Melling HV oil pump,MSD distro.,Canton oil pan,FMS flywheel,Romac balancer,FMS timing chain,Accufab 90mm TB,C&L 76mm maf, 42lbers,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Pro dumps,powerchamber,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Ford Racing gauges,5inch Tach,centerline convo pro's,nitto DR's,Pro3i lower control arms,50/50 shocks,3.55 gears,TFS HD diff. cover Next year: Tremec TKO,Spec stage 3 clutch,alum driveshaft,complete fuel system www.angelfire.com/linux/demondan

08-21-2002, 06:49 PM	#7
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	That is usually a bad connection between the battery cable and the battery post. Even if it's tight, pull the cables off and clean them (with a battery post cleaner). Then check the connection where ever the neg cable attaches. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-22-2002, 06:41 AM	#8
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	where can i get this battery cleaner?....on a side note...i tryed checking my TPS..put the pins in the cables and all that..and it didnt work..the needle didnt move..and it was set right ...what kind of pins do i use? do i put them all the way through? __________________ '91 GT,410W,10.5 to 1 comp,Victor Jr. heads,Victor 5.8 intake,FTI cam,Crane retro fit lifters,Scorpian 1.6 RR's,Melling HV oil pump,MSD distro.,Canton oil pan,FMS flywheel,Romac balancer,FMS timing chain,Accufab 90mm TB,C&L 76mm maf, 42lbers,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Pro dumps,powerchamber,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Ford Racing gauges,5inch Tach,centerline convo pro's,nitto DR's,Pro3i lower control arms,50/50 shocks,3.55 gears,TFS HD diff. cover Next year: Tremec TKO,Spec stage 3 clutch,alum driveshaft,complete fuel system www.angelfire.com/linux/demondan

08-22-2002, 11:25 AM	#9
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Go to any auto parts store, and ask for a battery terminal cleaning tool. It will have a male wire brush on one end, and a female wire brush on the other. TPS: Use two small safety pins, and completely pierce the Green and Black wires. Attach the DMM pos lead to the safety pin in the green wire, and the neg lead to the pin in the black wire. Turn on the DMM to DC Volts on the 20 scale. Turn on the ignition, and read the DMM. What does it say? Now move the throttle to WOT. What does the DMM say? Release the throttle, and slowly move it to WOT. Does the DMM increase smoothly? Post your results. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-22-2002, 06:57 PM	#10
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	i dont have safty pins..i have the kind of pins that come in a dress shirt when you buy it... __________________ '91 GT,410W,10.5 to 1 comp,Victor Jr. heads,Victor 5.8 intake,FTI cam,Crane retro fit lifters,Scorpian 1.6 RR's,Melling HV oil pump,MSD distro.,Canton oil pan,FMS flywheel,Romac balancer,FMS timing chain,Accufab 90mm TB,C&L 76mm maf, 42lbers,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Pro dumps,powerchamber,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Ford Racing gauges,5inch Tach,centerline convo pro's,nitto DR's,Pro3i lower control arms,50/50 shocks,3.55 gears,TFS HD diff. cover Next year: Tremec TKO,Spec stage 3 clutch,alum driveshaft,complete fuel system www.angelfire.com/linux/demondan

08-22-2002, 07:14 PM	#12
Agent_4573 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 375	I used a couple of sewing needles i found laying around the house. __________________ '89 LX 5.0, off-road h pipe, flowmaster muffs, underdrive pulleys, rebuilt WC T-5, King Cobra Clutch, 65mm throttle body, Explorer Upper/GT40 lower, Lakewood Rear Lift Bars. 76mm C&L Mass air w/ inlet pipe, Twisted wedge heads w/ stage 2 port,polish, MAC equal length shorties, Billet AFPR, 255LPH fuel pump, fresh low end w/ 10.5:1 compression. If anyone ever wants to go to Raceway Park in Englishtown New Jersey, give me a shout. RICER HATERS CLUB MEMBER 87! www.ricehatersclub.com

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