Need Help Please

GerryGT · 04-01-2003, 11:59 PM

I was thinking of installing an off road x-pipe and long tubes on my 2000GT. I was going to go with BBK for both but heard some bad things about it.

Can anyone recommend what I should go with and aroung how much it would cost to install.

Thanks for the help

Badass_yellowGT · 04-02-2003, 06:54 PM

if your car is stock or near stock long tubes will do you little good for you. the off road pipe is alright but highway driving is realy loud and the mil may come on. go with a bassani x pipe with high flow cats and a flowmaster exhaust system as for the headers any shorties would be good frpp would seem to be the best bet.i`m not quite sure if they make them for your year though hope this helps some

blue00gt · 04-02-2003, 07:32 PM

Since when do longtubes do very little on a near stock mod motor? I have BBK longtubes and catted h-pipe on my 2000 GT with very little else and I can hang dead even with my buddy's '99 Cobra until over 100mph. Shorties will get you nothing - maybe 2-3 hp at most and are not even worth the time they take to install. If you decided to get shorties you might as well leave the stock exhaust manifolds on and just get a new mid-pipe.
As far as BBK goes, I am not happy at all with the fit of my longtubes and I am looking at other brands to replace them. At around 2K rpm at certain throttle levels the passenger side header taps the frame. The matching BBK h-pipe also mates up to the header collectors like crap and I had a hard time bolting it up without an exhaust leak there. I'd stay away from MAC longtubes also. Hooker also makes longtubes for the mod cars but I have had no experience with them. Bassani just released a 'mid-length' header that looks interesting.
As for install cost I did it myself and it took me over 10 hours; not sure what a shop would quote you for labor.

GerryGT · 04-03-2003, 12:54 AM

Thanks for some of the info. Just have one question...I don't understand the difference between long and short tubes.

If I get long tube headers do I need to get a shortie x pipe? How does it work and should I get the same brand x and tubes?

I appreciate any help.

Gerrygt

P.S. - Current mods to my car are:
3.73 gears
pulleys
75mm throttle body
K & N Filtercharger Kit
Hays Clutch
3 Chamber Flowmaster - no cats
Pro 5.0 Sifter

jj_jonathon · 04-03-2003, 01:10 AM

with long tubes you have a shorter midpipe (hence long tubes) and it doesnt matter if you mix brands really...usually the more you mix, the more unique your exhaust sound will be...

SkammyManX · 04-03-2003, 09:51 AM

Lemme just clarify what you just said..

I could get long tubes and get ANY x-pipe and I could get short tubes and get ANY x-pipe? If that's the case

Which is more optimal?!!?

lemme ask you this:

If you get shortie headers, bassani x-pipe and whatever cat-back

does it hang lower, shorter, how does it sit on the mustang compared to long tubes?

jj_jonathon · 04-03-2003, 11:33 AM

yes you can mix and match any header with any xpipe as far as i know....and many people argue this brand over that brand for optimal performance...just go with a brand you trust like BBK, Bassani, etc...not some crapy no-name....

long tubes are the ones that take up more room..the way the header is designed itll sit lower and if you have a lowered car, youll probably scrape them on speed bumps....long tubes are also a HUGE headache to install....

shorties on the other hand are easy to install and preferred by people because of that....you wont see the hp increase from shorties that you will from longtubes, but you lose that aggrevasion of installation....they sit like stock headers do, so there is no clearance issue....

just to clarify, long tubes dont hang lower, theyre just bigger, so theyll come down further....

SkammyManX · 04-03-2003, 12:39 PM

Hmmmm....I'll look into that, I also have the facility of a Ford Certified dealership with all the gadgets and parts, so I could pay some tech. to do it as a favor....so I dunno, but if you say the only advantage to shorties is easy to install, than I might go with Long tubes...thanks man

Sam

V8Mustang · 04-04-2003, 04:05 PM

I agree w/ 00GT on the power benefits of long tubes. Typical gains are 15+ hp and 20+ ft/lb tq with nice smooth increases across the board. Long tubes do take more time to instal but, from a performance standpoint, you will not be dissapointed.

blue00gt · 04-04-2003, 04:33 PM

Longtubes actually do hang lower - the header brings 4 pipes all the way under the front of the floorpan. I have only about 3.5" of clearance under the collector flanges with my car lowered about 2" up front.

04-01-2003, 11:59 PM	#1
GerryGT Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	Need Help Please I was thinking of installing an off road x-pipe and long tubes on my 2000GT. I was going to go with BBK for both but heard some bad things about it. Can anyone recommend what I should go with and aroung how much it would cost to install. Thanks for the help

04-02-2003, 06:54 PM	#2
Badass_yellowGT Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western,MA Posts: 254	if your car is stock or near stock long tubes will do you little good for you. the off road pipe is alright but highway driving is realy loud and the mil may come on. go with a bassani x pipe with high flow cats and a flowmaster exhaust system as for the headers any shorties would be good frpp would seem to be the best bet.i`m not quite sure if they make them for your year though hope this helps some __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #55 For My car Specs Click the Home page link http://www.badassyellowgt.50g.com/ Last edited by Badass_yellowGT; 04-02-2003 at 07:10 PM..

04-02-2003, 07:32 PM	#3
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	Since when do longtubes do very little on a near stock mod motor? I have BBK longtubes and catted h-pipe on my 2000 GT with very little else and I can hang dead even with my buddy's '99 Cobra until over 100mph. Shorties will get you nothing - maybe 2-3 hp at most and are not even worth the time they take to install. If you decided to get shorties you might as well leave the stock exhaust manifolds on and just get a new mid-pipe. As far as BBK goes, I am not happy at all with the fit of my longtubes and I am looking at other brands to replace them. At around 2K rpm at certain throttle levels the passenger side header taps the frame. The matching BBK h-pipe also mates up to the header collectors like crap and I had a hard time bolting it up without an exhaust leak there. I'd stay away from MAC longtubes also. Hooker also makes longtubes for the mod cars but I have had no experience with them. Bassani just released a 'mid-length' header that looks interesting. As for install cost I did it myself and it took me over 10 hours; not sure what a shop would quote you for labor. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

04-03-2003, 01:10 AM	#5
jj_jonathon Trisket Join Date: May 2002 Location: University of Florida, FL Posts: ½ Posts: 1,560	with long tubes you have a shorter midpipe (hence long tubes) and it doesnt matter if you mix brands really...usually the more you mix, the more unique your exhaust sound will be... __________________ University of Florida - Physics Major My 02GT vert Media Center Pics BBK Underdrive Pulleys \| K&N FIPK (Gen II) \| Bullet Grille \| Mach 1 Chin Spoiler \| UPR Interior Parts \| XM Radio \| Audiobahn Subs Ricer Hater's Club Member #1/2 (30) http://www.ricehatersclub.com/

04-03-2003, 11:33 AM	#7
jj_jonathon Trisket Join Date: May 2002 Location: University of Florida, FL Posts: ½ Posts: 1,560	yes you can mix and match any header with any xpipe as far as i know....and many people argue this brand over that brand for optimal performance...just go with a brand you trust like BBK, Bassani, etc...not some crapy no-name.... long tubes are the ones that take up more room..the way the header is designed itll sit lower and if you have a lowered car, youll probably scrape them on speed bumps....long tubes are also a HUGE headache to install.... shorties on the other hand are easy to install and preferred by people because of that....you wont see the hp increase from shorties that you will from longtubes, but you lose that aggrevasion of installation....they sit like stock headers do, so there is no clearance issue.... just to clarify, long tubes dont hang lower, theyre just bigger, so theyll come down further.... __________________ University of Florida - Physics Major My 02GT vert Media Center Pics BBK Underdrive Pulleys \| K&N FIPK (Gen II) \| Bullet Grille \| Mach 1 Chin Spoiler \| UPR Interior Parts \| XM Radio \| Audiobahn Subs Ricer Hater's Club Member #1/2 (30) http://www.ricehatersclub.com/

04-03-2003, 12:54 AM	#4
GerryGT Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	Thanks for some of the info. Just have one question...I don't understand the difference between long and short tubes. If I get long tube headers do I need to get a shortie x pipe? How does it work and should I get the same brand x and tubes? I appreciate any help. Gerrygt P.S. - Current mods to my car are: 3.73 gears pulleys 75mm throttle body K & N Filtercharger Kit Hays Clutch 3 Chamber Flowmaster - no cats Pro 5.0 Sifter

04-03-2003, 09:51 AM	#6
SkammyManX Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 24	Lemme just clarify what you just said.. I could get long tubes and get ANY x-pipe and I could get short tubes and get ANY x-pipe? If that's the case Which is more optimal?!!? lemme ask you this: If you get shortie headers, bassani x-pipe and whatever cat-back does it hang lower, shorter, how does it sit on the mustang compared to long tubes?

04-03-2003, 12:39 PM	#8
SkammyManX Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 24	Hmmmm....I'll look into that, I also have the facility of a Ford Certified dealership with all the gadgets and parts, so I could pay some tech. to do it as a favor....so I dunno, but if you say the only advantage to shorties is easy to install, than I might go with Long tubes...thanks man Sam

04-04-2003, 04:05 PM	#9
V8Mustang Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NC Posts: 64	I agree w/ 00GT on the power benefits of long tubes. Typical gains are 15+ hp and 20+ ft/lb tq with nice smooth increases across the board. Long tubes do take more time to instal but, from a performance standpoint, you will not be dissapointed. __________________ www.CRmotorsports.com Ford Performance Parts

04-04-2003, 04:33 PM	#10
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	Longtubes actually do hang lower - the header brings 4 pipes all the way under the front of the floorpan. I have only about 3.5" of clearance under the collector flanges with my car lowered about 2" up front. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s