HELP PLEASE!!!!!

Tripleduece · 09-04-2004, 12:02 PM

Car will not start--have new cap,rotor,coil,wires,injectors pickup,icm----shes turning over but not running?

Tripleduece · 09-04-2004, 01:01 PM

well its not the icm-----anybody got any ideas?

Ieatcamaros · 09-04-2004, 05:49 PM

Have you checked for spark? It sounds as if you have. What about fuel? Could be a lot of different things here. Do you hear your fuel pump running when the key is in the on position? If you do, does it sound weak? If you have a gauge, what is the fuel pressure? Check fuel and spark and post the results.

Tripleduece · 09-04-2004, 06:48 PM

spark is a little weak-spuratic--yet everything is new!
Pump seams good-as It sounds as always and doesn't give out at higher rpm's.
wondering if it could be the starter going bad and drawing too many amps-(gm's have this problem)
As if i give it a couple quick key jerks-she starts...
still running stock pressure regulator........agh.

~The Jester~ · 09-04-2004, 06:49 PM

It only takes 4 things to make an engine run.

Fuel
Spark
Compression
Timing

You are obviously lacking one. Sounds like you have Spark/Timing, so like Ieatcamaros said, start looking at the fuel system.

My bad! You were posting that last one the same time as I was. Call me cooky, but trust me on this one. Ignition module.

Tripleduece · 09-04-2004, 06:56 PM

I smell the fuel,its coming--And once she is started runs like new!
No loss in power or top end,no sluggish take off --nothing!

My idle did start to surge before this happening--what about tps or iac---ever heard of it making it super hard to start?

Ieatcamaros · 09-05-2004, 10:56 AM

So, does the idle still surge now? Where are you smelling fuel from? You shouldn't be smelling it inside the car.

Tripleduece · 09-06-2004, 07:29 PM

Still surges--bit the bullet and dropped it off at mickeys--this little place that actually doesn't try to stick you... The gas i smell is from me cycling the key about 50 times to try and get it to start--i'll keep ya posted with what it actually was--i am too poor to try and find out on my own--

88fivepointoh · 09-06-2004, 08:32 PM

Why hasn't anyone had this man check his TFI Module? I bet it shot.. if its the stock one, replace it asap!

Tripleduece · 09-06-2004, 09:43 PM

isn't the tfi the icm on the 94-95? ---otherwise i would have done that as well------

Thanks again 88
your on top of your sh*@!

88fivepointoh · 09-07-2004, 01:59 PM

The TFi is not the ECM, the TFI is on the passanger Fender 94-95 5.0L and on the distributor 86-93 5.0L... its a $40 dollar item. If thats bad or faulty your car won't start, weak spark, will cut out etc etc and could work fine when warm or when cold.. Its a POS part that ford made that causes all sorts of headaches and ford recalled all of the stock units for replacement. so if you haven't changed it, change it asap.

Tripleduece · 09-07-2004, 04:28 PM

When i bought it they said icm/tfi same so i bought it --but we are speaking of the same piece---the shop said fuel pump---whether it was or not i will never know i threw him the money and left it at that-------

But i do know that my spark was weak and not consistenet*sp even after everything was changed out--i think i had a short somewhere--hmm---Never would have thought it would have been the pump either as after it was started--no loss in power,no hesitation --nothing

Atleast i got my daily back now---I do not like driving the 53' in this crappy weather we have had lately...thanks for all the help again! joe

88fivepointoh · 09-07-2004, 05:45 PM

yea sounds like the TFI or Pick up coil ( stator ) either way the TFi are Junk.. Replace it. I would use a factory ford one, not a wells or autozone brand.

09-04-2004, 12:02 PM	#1
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	HELP PLEASE!!!!! Car will not start--have new cap,rotor,coil,wires,injectors pickup,icm----shes turning over but not running? __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now..... Last edited by Tripleduece; 09-04-2004 at 04:47 PM..

09-04-2004, 01:01 PM	#2
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	well its not the icm-----anybody got any ideas? __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now.....

09-04-2004, 05:49 PM	#3
Ieatcamaros Domestic Rice really sucks! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: KY Posts: 973	Have you checked for spark? It sounds as if you have. What about fuel? Could be a lot of different things here. Do you hear your fuel pump running when the key is in the on position? If you do, does it sound weak? If you have a gauge, what is the fuel pressure? Check fuel and spark and post the results. __________________ The sig says it all.

09-04-2004, 06:48 PM	#4
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	spark is a little weak-spuratic--yet everything is new! Pump seams good-as It sounds as always and doesn't give out at higher rpm's. wondering if it could be the starter going bad and drawing too many amps-(gm's have this problem) As if i give it a couple quick key jerks-she starts... still running stock pressure regulator........agh. __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now.....

09-04-2004, 06:49 PM	#5
~The Jester~ Rat Killer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cold ass Ohio Posts: 1,143	It only takes 4 things to make an engine run. Fuel Spark Compression Timing You are obviously lacking one. Sounds like you have Spark/Timing, so like Ieatcamaros said, start looking at the fuel system. My bad! You were posting that last one the same time as I was. Call me cooky, but trust me on this one. Ignition module. __________________ d-Con Racing "Nothing fancy, just 347 inches of RAT POISON!" MICE need not apply.....

09-04-2004, 06:56 PM	#6
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	I smell the fuel,its coming--And once she is started runs like new! No loss in power or top end,no sluggish take off --nothing! My idle did start to surge before this happening--what about tps or iac---ever heard of it making it super hard to start? __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now.....

09-05-2004, 10:56 AM	#7
Ieatcamaros Domestic Rice really sucks! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: KY Posts: 973	So, does the idle still surge now? Where are you smelling fuel from? You shouldn't be smelling it inside the car. __________________ The sig says it all.

09-06-2004, 07:29 PM	#8
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	Still surges--bit the bullet and dropped it off at mickeys--this little place that actually doesn't try to stick you... The gas i smell is from me cycling the key about 50 times to try and get it to start--i'll keep ya posted with what it actually was--i am too poor to try and find out on my own-- __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now.....

09-06-2004, 08:32 PM	#9
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	Why hasn't anyone had this man check his TFI Module? I bet it shot.. if its the stock one, replace it asap!

09-06-2004, 09:43 PM	#10
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	isn't the tfi the icm on the 94-95? ---otherwise i would have done that as well------ Thanks again 88 your on top of your sh*@! __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now.....

09-07-2004, 01:59 PM	#11
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	The TFi is not the ECM, the TFI is on the passanger Fender 94-95 5.0L and on the distributor 86-93 5.0L... its a $40 dollar item. If thats bad or faulty your car won't start, weak spark, will cut out etc etc and could work fine when warm or when cold.. Its a POS part that ford made that causes all sorts of headaches and ford recalled all of the stock units for replacement. so if you haven't changed it, change it asap.

09-07-2004, 04:28 PM	#12
Tripleduece Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CapCity,SC Posts: 55	When i bought it they said icm/tfi same so i bought it --but we are speaking of the same piece---the shop said fuel pump---whether it was or not i will never know i threw him the money and left it at that------- But i do know that my spark was weak and not consistenet*sp even after everything was changed out--i think i had a short somewhere--hmm---Never would have thought it would have been the pump either as after it was started--no loss in power,no hesitation --nothing Atleast i got my daily back now---I do not like driving the 53' in this crappy weather we have had lately...thanks for all the help again! joe __________________ 95 vert w/5speed,C.A.I,14 deg. o/r h-pipe, flows,smog delete,msd coil,cap,rotor,9mm ford racing wires,underdrive pulleys for now.....

09-07-2004, 05:45 PM	#13
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	yea sounds like the TFI or Pick up coil ( stator ) either way the TFi are Junk.. Replace it. I would use a factory ford one, not a wells or autozone brand.