need help with a 94 GT

EricJ · 06-07-2001, 12:51 PM

I have a 94 GT, its stock except for Cobra R wheels and K&N filter. I am wanting to know if it is possible to get 300hp at the rear wheels with out any forced air induction. I would like it to be price effective and keep reliability. I would appreciate any suggestions you guys may have. I am new to this and dont know where to start.

Thanks, Eric Johnson

Smokedawg · 06-07-2001, 12:55 PM

Sure there is..
Trick Flow Heads----about 1200
High Flowing Intake-about 500
Underdrive Pulleys--about 90
70mm Throttle Body--about 200
Mass Air------------about 150
Cold Air Induction--about 200

Its not to cheap but seems to me like this would get you there or damn close to it..but then u will need subframes..some sort of traction device
And some good tires.

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

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fordmanck · 06-07-2001, 02:04 PM

I'm getting about 375 without Forced Air. It's called Nitrous. Best bang for your buck by far and you can buy a new kit and install it in your car for less than $1000. Something to think about. Of course if you meant no power adder than look at the above post.

andy669 · 06-07-2001, 02:35 PM

You didnt mention what transmission you had. If its an AOD-E, add a good rebuild, ($950) stall convertor, ($800) and a custom burned chip ($250) If its a five speed you'll still need the chip. The 94-95 computers are terrible! Believe me, I've been there/done that, and probably wont do it again. I wish I would have just bought a new cobra, it would have been cheaper!
andy

EricJ · 06-07-2001, 02:40 PM

Thanks guys, I did mean that I wanted to avoid using a power adder like NOS. Based on your input here is what I've come up with. Let me know what you think:

Trick Flow twisted wedge heads: 1000
Trick Flow manifold: 400
BBK underdrive pulleys: 90
BBK 70mm throttle body: 200
Vortech 73mm MAF: 210
BBK 1-5/8" Full Length Headers: 400
MAC 3" H-pipe: 260
Mac 3" cat back exhaust: 350

Will this get me 300hp and will this set-up work well?

Again thanks for the help!!

Its a 5-speed tranny.

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Smokedawg · 06-07-2001, 03:12 PM

All that sounds good to me..You might want to invest in a new shifter..I know Pro5.0 makes some good ones..they are like 200 i think..You can find cheaper ones

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

EricJ · 06-07-2001, 03:49 PM

Smokedawg, do you think this will get close to 300hp mark? Also I forgot to add that I have the Steeda short throw shifter on order already.
thanks for your help!

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Smokedawg · 06-07-2001, 03:55 PM

what one will have to do is add these mods up realistically..How much HP do u have now..i have no idea how much the 94's come with stock..prob about 215..i would say your big power boost here is going to be the heads..prob 40-55hp..Intake will just compliment the heads..probably good for about 10 hp maybe?? then the underdrive pulleys are SUPPOST to add like 10-15..You sound like you are headed in the right direction for the exhaust..That will really benefit your setup. The TB is suppost to add like 8-10hp or something and maf is around like 8-15 i think..cold air is prob good for bout 10..Another good thing is if you got a bit of cash left over...GET A CAM...expecially if you can have one custom made for your setup..I think you should get 300hp no problem...Good Luck

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

SCOTTLT79 · 06-07-2001, 05:10 PM

Hey guys,
I know that I didn't start this post but I have a '95 GT and this is some great information. I love the info I get from this site.

I just have one more question for you guys. I should have enough money to do the stuff listed above this summer but I do have plans to supercharge it eventually. Will all these mods be ok when I decide to so it or are there some things I shouldn't do for that application.
Thanks alot
Scott

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95 Red Mustang GT
Pro 5.0
MAC fenderwall cold air induction kit
Mostly stock(looking to modify)

jetuomi · 06-07-2001, 05:54 PM

I know you get two kits:

1) Ford's GT-40 package for SN-95 5.0's, puts HP around 290, more if you include cold-air and long tubes and pulleys (I'd say 305-310)

2) Edelbrock package gives 350 HP with heads, intake, cam, and this package is sold thru summitracing.

I hope this helps..

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94 Mustang GT (black on black)
K&N, MAC Shifter, FMS 9mm, 0017" rims, 3.27, 13*, MSD Coil, on a diet

95mustanggt · 06-08-2001, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jetuomi:
I know you get two kits:

1) Ford's GT-40 package for SN-95 5.0's, puts HP around 290, more if you include cold-air and long tubes and pulleys (I'd say 305-310)

2) Edelbrock package gives 350 HP with heads, intake, cam, and this package is sold thru summitracing.

I hope this helps..

Any idea what the Edelbrock package costs? There is a great article in the 5.0 Tech Mag (from the MM&FF editors) where they put the Edelbrock package on a 94GT with 3.73's, headers and pullies and they pulled a 13.5 on street tires.

They never included the cost though.

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Driving: 1998 F-150
Far way in Edmonton==>

1995 Mustang GT

jetuomi · 06-08-2001, 10:30 AM

I don't have prices handy for the edelbrock, and I can't seem to find it at summitracing.com

give them a shout, 1-800-517-1035..

They also have a Holly System (don't know how good it is) w/ heads, cam, intake, rods, timing chain for $2100 US, it also gives 350 HP... (page 246 of their sales mag)

hope this helps

dashapht · 06-08-2001, 11:58 AM

http://www.alternativeauto.com/water...es/holley.html

Here is a link to a review of the Holley Systemax II kit that Alternative Auto did. This is a 4 year old article so Hollley could have made some changes to the kit since then. If anyone has a newer review of this kit please post it. I'm interested in the kit for my car.

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1993 LX Coupe Reef blue w/grey int. 68k miles Mac long tubes 1 5/8, 2.5 inch Pro chamber, 2.5 Inch Flowmaster 2 chamber cat back, C&L 73mm MAF, 25% Underdrive Pulley, Mac Cold Air, Tri-ax shifter, 3.73, auburn diff, motorsport alum. driveshaft, BBK subframe connectors, Cobra R replicas with 255/40/17 Nittos , best time on radials 9.26@77 in 1/8th with 2.08 60' Just got ET streets. New times to come.

EricJ · 06-08-2001, 02:34 PM

Thanks for all the help. I think I am on the right track. I am also going to lower the car with springs, change out the shocks/struts, add adjustable rear sway bar, caster/camber plates and Heavy Duty Upper Rear control arms. I currently have 17x9" Cobra R wheels with 275/40 Yokahama a520 rubber all the way around. After all the engine and suspension work is done I plan on adding a saleen s281 spoiler and a new paint job and few other minor details like white face guages and so forth. Thanks again for all the input and I will keep you guys posted of my progress.

Thanks, Eric Johnson

06-07-2001, 12:51 PM	#1
EricJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: hutto, tx Posts: 7	need help with a 94 GT I have a 94 GT, its stock except for Cobra R wheels and K&N filter. I am wanting to know if it is possible to get 300hp at the rear wheels with out any forced air induction. I would like it to be price effective and keep reliability. I would appreciate any suggestions you guys may have. I am new to this and dont know where to start. Thanks, Eric Johnson

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06-07-2001, 12:55 PM	#2
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	Sure there is.. Trick Flow Heads----about 1200 High Flowing Intake-about 500 Underdrive Pulleys--about 90 70mm Throttle Body--about 200 Mass Air------------about 150 Cold Air Induction--about 200 Its not to cheap but seems to me like this would get you there or damn close to it..but then u will need subframes..some sort of traction device And some good tires. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-07-2001).] [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-07-2001).]

06-07-2001, 02:04 PM	#3
fordmanck Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Seminole, FL Posts: 193	I'm getting about 375 without Forced Air. It's called Nitrous. Best bang for your buck by far and you can buy a new kit and install it in your car for less than $1000. Something to think about. Of course if you meant no power adder than look at the above post.

06-07-2001, 02:35 PM	#4
andy669 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Moline Il Posts: 901	You didnt mention what transmission you had. If its an AOD-E, add a good rebuild, ($950) stall convertor, ($800) and a custom burned chip ($250) If its a five speed you'll still need the chip. The 94-95 computers are terrible! Believe me, I've been there/done that, and probably wont do it again. I wish I would have just bought a new cobra, it would have been cheaper! andy

06-07-2001, 02:40 PM	#5
EricJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: hutto, tx Posts: 7	Thanks guys, I did mean that I wanted to avoid using a power adder like NOS. Based on your input here is what I've come up with. Let me know what you think: Trick Flow twisted wedge heads: 1000 Trick Flow manifold: 400 BBK underdrive pulleys: 90 BBK 70mm throttle body: 200 Vortech 73mm MAF: 210 BBK 1-5/8" Full Length Headers: 400 MAC 3" H-pipe: 260 Mac 3" cat back exhaust: 350 Will this get me 300hp and will this set-up work well? Again thanks for the help!! Its a 5-speed tranny. [This message has been edited by EricJ (edited 06-07-2001).] [This message has been edited by EricJ (edited 06-07-2001).]

06-07-2001, 03:12 PM	#6
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	All that sounds good to me..You might want to invest in a new shifter..I know Pro5.0 makes some good ones..they are like 200 i think..You can find cheaper ones ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

06-07-2001, 03:49 PM	#7
EricJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: hutto, tx Posts: 7	Smokedawg, do you think this will get close to 300hp mark? Also I forgot to add that I have the Steeda short throw shifter on order already. thanks for your help! [This message has been edited by EricJ (edited 06-07-2001).]

06-07-2001, 03:55 PM	#8
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	what one will have to do is add these mods up realistically..How much HP do u have now..i have no idea how much the 94's come with stock..prob about 215..i would say your big power boost here is going to be the heads..prob 40-55hp..Intake will just compliment the heads..probably good for about 10 hp maybe?? then the underdrive pulleys are SUPPOST to add like 10-15..You sound like you are headed in the right direction for the exhaust..That will really benefit your setup. The TB is suppost to add like 8-10hp or something and maf is around like 8-15 i think..cold air is prob good for bout 10..Another good thing is if you got a bit of cash left over...GET A CAM...expecially if you can have one custom made for your setup..I think you should get 300hp no problem...Good Luck ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

06-07-2001, 05:10 PM	#9
SCOTTLT79 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Raynham, Ma, USA Posts: 189	Hey guys, I know that I didn't start this post but I have a '95 GT and this is some great information. I love the info I get from this site. I just have one more question for you guys. I should have enough money to do the stuff listed above this summer but I do have plans to supercharge it eventually. Will all these mods be ok when I decide to so it or are there some things I shouldn't do for that application. Thanks alot Scott ------------------ 95 Red Mustang GT Pro 5.0 MAC fenderwall cold air induction kit Mostly stock(looking to modify)

06-07-2001, 05:54 PM	#10
jetuomi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Waterloo, ON, Canada Posts: 214	I know you get two kits: 1) Ford's GT-40 package for SN-95 5.0's, puts HP around 290, more if you include cold-air and long tubes and pulleys (I'd say 305-310) 2) Edelbrock package gives 350 HP with heads, intake, cam, and this package is sold thru summitracing. I hope this helps.. ------------------ 94 Mustang GT (black on black) K&N, MAC Shifter, FMS 9mm, 0017" rims, 3.27, 13*, MSD Coil, on a diet

06-08-2001, 10:30 AM	#12
jetuomi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Waterloo, ON, Canada Posts: 214	I don't have prices handy for the edelbrock, and I can't seem to find it at summitracing.com give them a shout, 1-800-517-1035.. They also have a Holly System (don't know how good it is) w/ heads, cam, intake, rods, timing chain for $2100 US, it also gives 350 HP... (page 246 of their sales mag) hope this helps

06-08-2001, 11:58 AM	#13
dashapht Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: nashville, tn Posts: 72	http://www.alternativeauto.com/water...es/holley.html Here is a link to a review of the Holley Systemax II kit that Alternative Auto did. This is a 4 year old article so Hollley could have made some changes to the kit since then. If anyone has a newer review of this kit please post it. I'm interested in the kit for my car. ------------------ 1993 LX Coupe Reef blue w/grey int. 68k miles Mac long tubes 1 5/8, 2.5 inch Pro chamber, 2.5 Inch Flowmaster 2 chamber cat back, C&L 73mm MAF, 25% Underdrive Pulley, Mac Cold Air, Tri-ax shifter, 3.73, auburn diff, motorsport alum. driveshaft, BBK subframe connectors, Cobra R replicas with 255/40/17 Nittos , best time on radials 9.26@77 in 1/8th with 2.08 60' Just got ET streets. New times to come.

06-08-2001, 02:34 PM	#14
EricJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: hutto, tx Posts: 7	Thanks for all the help. I think I am on the right track. I am also going to lower the car with springs, change out the shocks/struts, add adjustable rear sway bar, caster/camber plates and Heavy Duty Upper Rear control arms. I currently have 17x9" Cobra R wheels with 275/40 Yokahama a520 rubber all the way around. After all the engine and suspension work is done I plan on adding a saleen s281 spoiler and a new paint job and few other minor details like white face guages and so forth. Thanks again for all the input and I will keep you guys posted of my progress. Thanks, Eric Johnson