question about 95 GTs - Page 2

andy669 · 01-27-2002, 03:38 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302

andy669, I'll cut you some slack, hehe. What you don't know about Killercanary's setup, is how he got to where he is. He was running low 15's stock. Before the EEC tuner, he ran a low 13 with the AFR's and most of his current combo in place on the stock SN95 computer .

I must be missing the point here.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302

If you are arguing math based on your personal impressions for maximum trap speed with 4.10's, it sounds pretty weak to me. But just in case the gear ratio calculators are incorrect, let's do some math.

My personal impressions? Sorry, I think you mean my hands on experiences. Those calculators are fine if you are sure the numbers going in to them are accurate. You assumed that the tires on her car were 245/45 17. I honestly dont remember what they were, they might have been 225/55 16 which are even taller. Either way, for you to tell me I saw something that apparently I didnt, based solely on some numbers you've plugged in to an equation. Well, I think that is pretty weak.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302

Sorry, but a tachometer can be incorrect, the math cannot be.

I must be missing something here too. When did I say or imply that the tachometer was correct?

andy

Mustangbelle306 · 01-28-2002, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustang17
hey Mustangbelle-

Trapping at 100 is damn fast for a near stock SN95 mustang. Your car is an auto? The 4.10 gears are a great first mod. 14 flat is rare for a stock 94-95 GT, even one with gears. Sounds like you got a freak or your one heck of a driver!

Yeah I know that's what I thought too! Heck no I wasn't driving

I didn't have the car very long at this point, and even though I had driven 5 speed before, I STANK quite frankly

The guy who installed the gears ran it for me, and I shat my pants when I saw the clock and the slip. I was running consistent 14.2s and 14.3s, which I still thought was decent

I really regret letting idiots work on and ruin that motor...she was a really smooth and speedy car even when that stock

Unit 5302 · 01-28-2002, 01:01 AM

My personal impressions? Sorry, I think you mean my hands on experiences. Those calculators are fine if you are sure the numbers going in to them are accurate. You assumed that the tires on her car were 245/45 17. I honestly dont remember what they were, they might have been 225/55 16 which are even taller. Either way, for you to tell me I saw something that apparently I didnt, based solely on some numbers you've plugged in to an equation. Well, I think that is pretty weak.

Quote:

Originally posted by Unit 5302

Sorry, but a tachometer can be incorrect, the math cannot be.

I must be missing something here too. When did I say or imply that the tachometer was correct?

andy [/B]

You are a class A MORON. I'm tired of cutting you slack. Just because you couldn't rub two brain cells together and simple math is sooo difficult for you to get and you'd rather look at some tachometer to tell how fast an engine is turning than the MATH behind it is your problem. Quite frankly almost everything you've posted in this thread has been complete crap.

God forbid I should offer physics and math to completely disprove the crap you're spreading. I'm sick and tired of all you moron REAL WORLD guys who don't have enough brains to interpret what you're actually seeing. Somehow you've decided the 4.10's run out of rpms in 3rd gear at the 1/4 mile. I just PROVED with stock sized rubber that it's not about to happen with a near stock SN95. In other words, I politely called you on your crap. Guess I made the mistake of assuming you'd actually be able to understand what I just did. Furthermore, since your experience doesn't come from a gear ratio calculator, it must have come from a tachometer. Tach's aren't accurate all the time. That's my point on that part.

Onto your innate inability to understand me calling your BS about needing a fuel management system to pick any power up with that crappy SN95 computer, even with heads, intake, cam. Killercanary did just fine picking power with the stock computer, to the tune of 2secs and 10mph.

I've called you on total BS before, looks like it's time to pull your head outta your rear again.

Skyman · 01-28-2002, 03:27 AM

From what I know the limiter on the 94/95 cars is 6250 just like all the other years.

I could be wrong though.

5500 is just ridiculous for a limiter, I know for a fact that it isnt that low.

The factory tach is way off, but Ive run a 225/50/16 tire w/ 3.73 gear across in 4th (equal to a AOD 3rd) across the line at 5300rpm.

Skyler

andy669 · 01-28-2002, 09:02 AM

Unit, you can call me what you want, it makes no difference to me. Your name calling makes me laugh! I could care less what you think about me. You are the epitome of an internet racer.

When I refer to the SN95 computer as being junk, and when I say something will need to be done with it, I am referring to the AOD-E computer. I thought I made this clear in my earlier posts but maybe I didnt.

I too was able to pick up e.t and mile-an-hour with a stock computer, just like Killercanary was. The fact remains, if you want to go faster something has to be done with it.

So when did you become such a big fan of the SN95 computers anyway? I remember you saying a while back that they are junk! Your suggestion was to put an A9L in! They dont even have the same plug on them. This was before the Pro-M kit too! But I guess the reason I know this is because I've been there and done that, unlike you. If you think that all my talk is crap, you'd better get your boots on. If someone wants to know something about what I've done I'm going to post my results. Not what I've read and came to conclusions about.

Sky, I agree that having a rev-limiter that low is ridiculous. It is not that low on the T4M0 5 speed processor, but it is on the W4H0 automatic. I cant remember exactly how low it is, but if I get time today I will find out.

andy

Green9550 · 01-28-2002, 11:22 AM

The limiter on my 95 AODE is set at 5500. That is with an autometer 5" tach.

-Billy

Unit 5302 · 01-28-2002, 10:20 PM

The SN95 computer is junk, but your suggestion you can't experience decent gains on the stock processor is a joke. 2 seconds and 10mph (granted on a 5spd processor) is serious increases. He's done a lot better after switching to the EEC Tuner, but to say you can't gain is ridiculous.

I did the math for you. At 5500rpm the stock AOD-E is running through the traps at 102mph with 4.10's. A stock SN95 isn't gonna pull that off. Replacing the computer or adding an EEC tuner is a good mod, but isn't required to see gains. Obviously, since the AOD has wider gear spacing than the T-5, and a lower rev limiter it will benefit much less from aggressive N/A combos without the addition of something to push the rev limiter higher, but it will still gain. Interestingly enough, you can swap the A9L into an SN95 without a conversion harness. As I recall a post was made on how to put the Fox computer into an SN95 by swapping pins and wiring up an electric fan relay, before the conversion harness came out. Buying the conversion harness is a waste of money. You could have an EEC tuner for that price, and tune your car.

I called you a moron because you want to try and tell me your personal experience is more trustworthy than the proven math equations to show exactly what is going on. Perhaps extremely arrogant and misguided is more appropriate.

01-27-2002, 03:38 PM	#21
andy669 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Moline Il Posts: 901	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302 andy669, I'll cut you some slack, hehe. What you don't know about Killercanary's setup, is how he got to where he is. He was running low 15's stock. Before the EEC tuner, he ran a low 13 with the AFR's and most of his current combo in place on the stock SN95 computer . I must be missing the point here. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302 If you are arguing math based on your personal impressions for maximum trap speed with 4.10's, it sounds pretty weak to me. But just in case the gear ratio calculators are incorrect, let's do some math. My personal impressions? Sorry, I think you mean my hands on experiences. Those calculators are fine if you are sure the numbers going in to them are accurate. You assumed that the tires on her car were 245/45 17. I honestly dont remember what they were, they might have been 225/55 16 which are even taller. Either way, for you to tell me I saw something that apparently I didnt, based solely on some numbers you've plugged in to an equation. Well, I think that is pretty weak. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302 Sorry, but a tachometer can be incorrect, the math cannot be. I must be missing something here too. When did I say or imply that the tachometer was correct? andy __________________ 88 coupe 91 LX NMRA Pure Street 5120

01-28-2002, 03:27 AM	#24
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	From what I know the limiter on the 94/95 cars is 6250 just like all the other years. I could be wrong though. 5500 is just ridiculous for a limiter, I know for a fact that it isnt that low. The factory tach is way off, but Ive run a 225/50/16 tire w/ 3.73 gear across in 4th (equal to a AOD 3rd) across the line at 5300rpm. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

01-28-2002, 09:02 AM	#25
andy669 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Moline Il Posts: 901	Unit, you can call me what you want, it makes no difference to me. Your name calling makes me laugh! I could care less what you think about me. You are the epitome of an internet racer. When I refer to the SN95 computer as being junk, and when I say something will need to be done with it, I am referring to the AOD-E computer. I thought I made this clear in my earlier posts but maybe I didnt. I too was able to pick up e.t and mile-an-hour with a stock computer, just like Killercanary was. The fact remains, if you want to go faster something has to be done with it. So when did you become such a big fan of the SN95 computers anyway? I remember you saying a while back that they are junk! Your suggestion was to put an A9L in! They dont even have the same plug on them. This was before the Pro-M kit too! But I guess the reason I know this is because I've been there and done that, unlike you. If you think that all my talk is crap, you'd better get your boots on. If someone wants to know something about what I've done I'm going to post my results. Not what I've read and came to conclusions about. Sky, I agree that having a rev-limiter that low is ridiculous. It is not that low on the T4M0 5 speed processor, but it is on the W4H0 automatic. I cant remember exactly how low it is, but if I get time today I will find out. andy __________________ 88 coupe 91 LX NMRA Pure Street 5120

01-28-2002, 11:22 AM	#26
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	The limiter on my 95 AODE is set at 5500. That is with an autometer 5" tach. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

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01-28-2002, 10:20 PM	#27
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	The SN95 computer is junk, but your suggestion you can't experience decent gains on the stock processor is a joke. 2 seconds and 10mph (granted on a 5spd processor) is serious increases. He's done a lot better after switching to the EEC Tuner, but to say you can't gain is ridiculous. I did the math for you. At 5500rpm the stock AOD-E is running through the traps at 102mph with 4.10's. A stock SN95 isn't gonna pull that off. Replacing the computer or adding an EEC tuner is a good mod, but isn't required to see gains. Obviously, since the AOD has wider gear spacing than the T-5, and a lower rev limiter it will benefit much less from aggressive N/A combos without the addition of something to push the rev limiter higher, but it will still gain. Interestingly enough, you can swap the A9L into an SN95 without a conversion harness. As I recall a post was made on how to put the Fox computer into an SN95 by swapping pins and wiring up an electric fan relay, before the conversion harness came out. Buying the conversion harness is a waste of money. You could have an EEC tuner for that price, and tune your car. I called you a moron because you want to try and tell me your personal experience is more trustworthy than the proven math equations to show exactly what is going on. Perhaps extremely arrogant and misguided is more appropriate.

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