A Little Perspective on Engine Size

Unit 5302 · 07-22-2001, 02:29 AM

Well, I finally got some pics of parts for my 427. It's a 1963 Ford 427 Low Riser with the Dual Quad intake.

As you can see, the parts are a little larger than the 5.0, LOL.

No comments on the goofy lookin photo of me, this was taken at 2AM on a delay shot, the Camera was sittin on the Capri. Hehe.

lx mike · 07-22-2001, 04:56 PM

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No comments on the goofy lookin photo of me

I wouldn't say it's goofy, more like .......

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93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N.

jimberg · 07-22-2001, 05:48 PM

Replace that header with a bolt-action rifle and newspaper and we have ourselves Lee Harvey Oswald.

Seriously, though, those are some monster parts.

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

MiracleMax · 07-22-2001, 08:24 PM

I was thinkng more along the lines of a young and well groomed Charley Manson!

Factory cast iron header? sweet!

IMO I see some serious earning potential

Unit 5302 · 07-22-2001, 09:31 PM

Yeah, those cast iron manifolds are worth between $600-$1000 last time I checked. I plan to put the engine into an late 60's Cougar, or a 69 Mustang. If I do, the manifolds will have to go. They just don't fit in the engine compartment. As you can tell from the photo's, that's a loooong ways off.

I'm not sure I'll be able to run the heads either. At 11.1:1 compression, they were best suited to leaded only, super premium gas when it was availible. Octane booster, and lead additive will need to be in the gas to avoid detonation I think.

1BAD89 · 07-23-2001, 02:50 AM

That is a beast! =P

bigwhitecobra · 07-23-2001, 08:39 AM

God those are fun, aren't they?

Hey, Unit...got a few questions for you. Is there any reason why the 2.95 T-5 trans is 1" shorter in a Fox-body than the 3.35 T-5 in a SN-95? I found this out recently.
Also, the oil pump drive shaft on a Fox-body.....did it come with 4 complete twists in it? If not then I cam real close to seizing up the motor in the GT. Thanks man, later.

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The Black Mamba 11.2@124
1994 Cobra
'00 Focus ZTS- K&N drop in. 10.66@66mph 1/8mile

jimberg · 07-23-2001, 10:15 AM

Err, no twists in oil pump shaft. Boy, you sure did come close.

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

Unit 5302 · 07-23-2001, 07:46 PM

The Fox body used both the 3.35, and the 2.95 1st gear ratio's.

I'm pretty sure the extra length is all related to the crossmember mounting on the SN95's being a little different. The input shaft on the SN95 cars is 7.85", the input shaft on the Fox is 7.18". So the bellhousing is also different, has to be longer to use the extra 3/4" of input shaft.

Swapping the input shaft and the front bearing retainer would enable you to convert an SN95 T-5 to 83-93 specs for fitment.

Rev · 07-23-2001, 11:42 PM

Unit, if you get stuck with the headers, you can always bench press them for a good work out. Do you actually have a Cougar yet to put it in? A '67 will work and they are beautiful IMHO.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

bigwhitecobra · 07-24-2001, 11:11 AM

I kinda figured that the oil pump shaft wasn't supposed to look that way. Wonder what happened?
Anyway, the only reason I can think of for making th einput shaft that much longer was to move the engine forward. I know my chances of being wrong are much like that snowball everybody keeps referring to, but that's what it looks like to me.

Unit, have you ever driven a 427? If not, then when you get it back together and running, just go ahead and start smiling, cause you won't stop for a very loooooonnnnggg time. I need a big block. wanna trade your 427 for a 351 with a S-trim?

Didn't think so.....maybe some other day then.

Unit 5302 · 07-24-2001, 08:45 PM

I cracked the block on this engine in 1981, when I was 4... Played fill the engine up (with water). Froze over the winter.

I've never driven the 427, but I have driven my Uncle's 428 Mach 1.

My dad has given this engine to me. It has to stay with me, I cannot sell it, regardless of the price. My dad ran low/mid 13's with it in a 1963 Ford Convertable.

If I had a car to put it in, it would be a far higher priority, lol. Years would become weeks, hahaha.

I'd love to put it into a Cougar, I love the way they look, and they are a little different.

The bonus for me is the extra parts he has. rods, cranks, pistons. He's also got a T-10, even though it's a little weak for the task. His close ratio was blown up by a friend years ago. The only thing I should actually need is an oil pickup, rings, bearings, gaskets and seals, and a really good magnaflux and welder. Hopefully the block is savable.

MiracleMax · 07-26-2001, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Unit 5302:
I'm not sure I'll be able to run the heads either. At 11.1:1 compression, they were best suited to leaded only, super premium gas when it was availible. Octane booster, and lead additive will need to be in the gas to avoid detonation I think.

Get hardened exhaust valve seats, the intake should be okay, unless the metal is SUPER soft, the A/F mix will keep the intake side reasonably cool minimizing valve ressesion. I had a set of brand X 461 castings worked on and had hardened exhasut valve seats pressed in, the motor has been run hot several times and so far no problem

07-22-2001, 02:29 AM	#1
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	A Little Perspective on Engine Size Well, I finally got some pics of parts for my 427. It's a 1963 Ford 427 Low Riser with the Dual Quad intake. As you can see, the parts are a little larger than the 5.0, LOL. No comments on the goofy lookin photo of me, this was taken at 2AM on a delay shot, the Camera was sittin on the Capri. Hehe.

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07-22-2001, 05:48 PM	#3
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	Replace that header with a bolt-action rifle and newspaper and we have ourselves Lee Harvey Oswald. Seriously, though, those are some monster parts. ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

07-22-2001, 08:24 PM	#4
MiracleMax Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Hayes, Va, USA Posts: 798	I was thinkng more along the lines of a young and well groomed Charley Manson! Factory cast iron header? sweet! IMO I see some serious earning potential

07-22-2001, 09:31 PM	#5
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Yeah, those cast iron manifolds are worth between $600-$1000 last time I checked. I plan to put the engine into an late 60's Cougar, or a 69 Mustang. If I do, the manifolds will have to go. They just don't fit in the engine compartment. As you can tell from the photo's, that's a loooong ways off. I'm not sure I'll be able to run the heads either. At 11.1:1 compression, they were best suited to leaded only, super premium gas when it was availible. Octane booster, and lead additive will need to be in the gas to avoid detonation I think.

07-23-2001, 02:50 AM	#6
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	That is a beast! =P

07-23-2001, 08:39 AM	#7
bigwhitecobra Huh? Whatcha said? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,073	God those are fun, aren't they? Hey, Unit...got a few questions for you. Is there any reason why the 2.95 T-5 trans is 1" shorter in a Fox-body than the 3.35 T-5 in a SN-95? I found this out recently. Also, the oil pump drive shaft on a Fox-body.....did it come with 4 complete twists in it? If not then I cam real close to seizing up the motor in the GT. Thanks man, later. ------------------ The Black Mamba 11.2@124 1994 Cobra '00 Focus ZTS- K&N drop in. 10.66@66mph 1/8mile

07-23-2001, 10:15 AM	#8
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	Err, no twists in oil pump shaft. Boy, you sure did come close. ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

07-23-2001, 07:46 PM	#9
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	The Fox body used both the 3.35, and the 2.95 1st gear ratio's. I'm pretty sure the extra length is all related to the crossmember mounting on the SN95's being a little different. The input shaft on the SN95 cars is 7.85", the input shaft on the Fox is 7.18". So the bellhousing is also different, has to be longer to use the extra 3/4" of input shaft. Swapping the input shaft and the front bearing retainer would enable you to convert an SN95 T-5 to 83-93 specs for fitment.

07-23-2001, 11:42 PM	#10
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Unit, if you get stuck with the headers, you can always bench press them for a good work out. Do you actually have a Cougar yet to put it in? A '67 will work and they are beautiful IMHO. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

07-24-2001, 11:11 AM	#11
bigwhitecobra Huh? Whatcha said? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,073	I kinda figured that the oil pump shaft wasn't supposed to look that way. Wonder what happened? Anyway, the only reason I can think of for making th einput shaft that much longer was to move the engine forward. I know my chances of being wrong are much like that snowball everybody keeps referring to, but that's what it looks like to me. Unit, have you ever driven a 427? If not, then when you get it back together and running, just go ahead and start smiling, cause you won't stop for a very loooooonnnnggg time. I need a big block. wanna trade your 427 for a 351 with a S-trim? Didn't think so.....maybe some other day then.

07-24-2001, 08:45 PM	#12
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I cracked the block on this engine in 1981, when I was 4... Played fill the engine up (with water). Froze over the winter. I've never driven the 427, but I have driven my Uncle's 428 Mach 1. My dad has given this engine to me. It has to stay with me, I cannot sell it, regardless of the price. My dad ran low/mid 13's with it in a 1963 Ford Convertable. If I had a car to put it in, it would be a far higher priority, lol. Years would become weeks, hahaha. I'd love to put it into a Cougar, I love the way they look, and they are a little different. The bonus for me is the extra parts he has. rods, cranks, pistons. He's also got a T-10, even though it's a little weak for the task. His close ratio was blown up by a friend years ago. The only thing I should actually need is an oil pickup, rings, bearings, gaskets and seals, and a really good magnaflux and welder. Hopefully the block is savable.