B cam peak horsepower torque?

[T5superduty]

I know I could just go get it dynod and have the answer but that cant happen till I get a new rear end" The summer" So anyway The ratings say its peak horsepower is met at 5100 rpms and peak torque at 3300. Now I have this article from car craft magazine where they tested the motor and this is what it looked like. What do you all think ? peak hp 6000 peak tq 4100

[420nitro]

Originally posted by T5superduty
I know I could just go get it dynod and have the answer but that cant happen till I get a new rear end" The summer" So anyway The ratings say its peak horsepower is met at 5100 rpms and peak torque at 3300. Now I have this article from car craft magazine where they tested the motor and this is what it looked like. What do you all think ? peak hp 6000 peak tq 4100

Question...Have you ever heard the phrase:
Don't believe nothing you read (from a magazine) and half of what you see. (at the race track)
Why is it that you always refer to a magazine?
It seems like you think these magazines are gospal or something.
You have to look at the whole picture. These magazines print what they want to print, so they sell!!!

Another point of view....do you always believe in everything a salesmen says, when they are trying to sell you something???

Magazines are good reference points, but you also have to be wiery of what they wright in there coloumns. I know some cars that were featured in several different magazines, and it just seems that, sometimes they forgot a key element in a persons combo just to make it sound more intresting..I wonder why

So to answer your question, maybe the heads were done a little more then stated or a little more compression, or maybe the cam was retarded a couple more degrees then stated!

All I am saying is be cautious of what you read and don't take it for gospal. There are alot of people on this forum that can speak from experiance and give you good solid advise and really don't have nothing to gain or loss by it, unlike many magazines when they have big companies help them promote there stuff. Come on do you really think they are going to bash a company's product when there are giving them a lot of money???? Never bite the hand that feeds you!

[andy669]

Originally posted by 420nitro
Question...Have you ever heard the phrase:
Don't believe nothing you read (from a magazine) and half of what you see. (at the race track)
Why is it that you always refer to a magazine?
It seems like you think these magazines are gospal or something.
You have to look at the whole picture. These magazines print what they want to print, so they sell!!!

I have to take serious issue with that. After having a major part in 2 tech articles, a minor part in another, and working on a car that has been featured several times in both major Ford publications, I can assure you that you are misinformed.

Magazines are not in business to sell lies. They also cant be bought. Do you honestly think theres a big conspiracy to between the magazines and their major advertisers to print lies so they can sell more parts? I dont. If there ever was such a magazine their credibility was shot within their first year of business.

As for why their car peaked at different numbers, theres lots of things to take in to account. I dont recognize Car Craft as a magazine for good Ford tech. If you want good Ford tech read 5.0&SF or MM&FF.

Your picture isnt showing up real good but it looks like they have a B cam in a car with dual quads. Stay away from carbureted tech articles if you have an EFI car.

Andy

[420nitro]

Well Andy, I hope I am wrong on this but from my experence the cars that I know first hand were exgerated in the magazine and guess what, one of them were featured in MM&FF. Not to knock MM&FF (I personnally love MM&FF). Maybe it was a fluke I don't know, I am just always cautious when reading these magazines. At the time, I just thoght it was funny how they held back on some info. You know: Tell the truth but not the whole truth. But at that time I also learned that you just can't necessarily trust everything you read! We are all human and make mistakes and some times leave things out of an article, just to make it more appealing. Who knows maybe it was the owners of the cars holding back???? You tell me.

[andy669]

I cant answer that question. Seems to me like you should know the answer since you knew the guys. Was the car owner a big bs'er? I can see misinformation on a feature car happening. Whats the author going to do, tear the motor apart and verify that everything is like he says? Hardly.

My issue is with the truth in tech articles, since it appears thats what T5 had posted his question about. A tech article.

Andy

[420nitro]

Originally posted by andy669
I cant answer that question. Seems to me like you should know the answer since you knew the guys. Was the car owner a big bs'er? I can see misinformation on a feature car happening. Whats the author going to do, tear the motor apart and verify that everything is like he says? Hardly.

My issue is with the truth in tech articles, since it appears thats what T5 had posted his question about. A tech article.

Andy

I am sorry, I didn't mean to piss you off or turn this into a pis-sing contest. It's great to know that there are people still out there like you who care to get the facts straight, but unfortuantely that hasn't been my experance with TECH articles, but I will definitely make a note to myself that when I see a tech article with a name that starts with Andy I will take it as "gospal".
Oh yea, as goes for my friends they don't BS. They might tell you something you don't want to hear, but it's definatly the truth with out sugar coating it! But maybe something got lost in the editing process when there tech article was done.

[420nitro]

Oh yea, not to mislead anybody but the majority of the "editing" were in deed with the Chevy crowd and Chevy magazines. Maybe that had something to do with it?

[andy669]

You didnt piss me off. Youre just taking my post the wrong way. No harm here.

Andy

[T5superduty]

From what I have read in magazines and knowing many people with differnt cars from camaros to mustangs. Most if not all of what they print turns out to be true because why and how could they just flat out make a lie about it. If that were true then in some cases they would be putting the magazine in a position where it could be shut down for wrongful publicized information. It was showing how old tech stood up against the new and they tested about 10 differnt intake combos and with the combo I also picked made the most horsepower. There is a mustang running around town here with the same crate motor making about 20 horsepower less then what that combo put out, but that is because he did not get a new intake or carb. He put down 309 rear wheel horsepower.

[Hozer 88GTConv]

I have a b-cam and I peak out at 6100 RPM consistently with the combo in my sig, before the supercharger and after.

[420nitro]

OK, here we go again
Maybe it came out wrong or maybe you are misunderstanding what I am saying!
All I am saying is that the tech article can sometimes be misleading and not tell the COMPLETE truth. Don't always take everything you read to heart! Question it! Think for yourself!
It seemed,... that you were earlier comparing your combo with another that had a dual quad set-up? Not the samething. Cannot compare an efi to a carb or a single carb to a dual quad set-up! If it is not COMPLETLY the same set-up, then go to ther next thing. Clearances on bearings and rings and how the cam was degreed also plays a part on how an engine will perform. The only tech articles that I have seen (maybe others now)that have such documents are MM&FF. It's not to say that when later after a couple of dyno pulls they made a change of some sort and forgot to mention it. (no bodys fault...opps) The only one that knows the truth is the people there! Do you always trust what people say???

I am not trying to be a jerk, I am just trying to get you to open your eyes and think for yourself! I was there too when I first started, And after I was working at a machine shop for awhile (that built fast race cars and street cars) I started to see how things really were! I also got this lecture myself after making an *** out of myself because I thought I knew what I was talking about, by reading way to many Hot-rod Magazines!

[420nitro]

Originally posted by Hozer 88GTConv
I have a b-cam and I peak out at 6100 RPM consistently with the combo in my sig, before the supercharger and after.

Cool, you also have twisted wedge heads with 1.7 rockers. Going to 1.7 will make more power at a higher rpm and your heads flow better then gt-40 which will also tend to make more power at a highr rpm.

[T5superduty]

Originally posted by Hozer 88GTConv
I have a b-cam and I peak out at 6100 RPM consistently with the combo in my sig, before the supercharger and after.

thank you so much that is what I wanted to see. And 420... I dont beleave everything I read and i'm not trying to compair Two Four set up to mine. I in fact have the exact same combo shown in the article besides like 1.7s and a differnt brand of headers....

[420nitro]

I guess the old saying is true:
....there are some men you just can't reach

[BilLster]

well there are a few factors here #1 some articalls are writen by writers who dont always understand what they are writing about.
#2 any two engines built with the same parts can dyno diffrent or post diffrent numbers on diffrent dyno's.#3 except for some Car and Driver typr mags that sell cars most arent trying to sell anything but there mag. #4 advatizers do lie look at how you see an exhaust add that gains 30 hp and then you read the fine print that they put a stock exhaust on a vortech equiped 408 and then tested there exhaust against it.

When i run up at this elivation i dont try in the mag at sea level they run this.


just my 2 cents

[T5superduty]

Originally posted by 420nitro
I guess the old saying is true:
....there are some men you just can't reach

Ok I guess you wanted this to become a war or something by testing how much **** talking I could take ? I am a person who leaves everyone alone and never starts anything unless I am messed with, you dont need to attempt to put me down just because I might beleave a few things which in deed seem to be facts since others have this motor and run the same horsepower stated in the article. Too bad I cant reach you son