Dyno proven 450-475 HP. ET Guesses??? - Page 2

1BAD89 · 11-02-2001, 01:18 AM

***jz_mustang50, The combo. you listed is not going to make anywhere near 450-475hp. Sorry. Unless you left off a Vortech etc.., there is just no way.

THHHHEEEEE COMBO. HEEEE LISTED ISSSSS NOOOTTT GOOIINNGG TOOO MMAAKKKKEEE ANNYYWWWHHHEEEERRREE NNNEEEAARRR 450-475HP.

***1bad89, i wouldnt say "nowhere near" cuz a balanced and blueprinted 306 similar to d.s.s could be near 400 at the wheels, the bottom end would have to be strengthend with main support, but his custom cam would have to be one awesome cam, i still agree you need more compression for those numbers.

I didn't say "nowhere near", I said anywhere near.

) J/P With the parts that he listed....is what I said.........I wasn't saying a 306 that was built to the wall wouldn't pull that hp.
This was the parts that he said.....

306, Stock block, crank/rods. 9:1
Canfeild 2.02 alum. heads
Custom made cam
Holley System Max Intake
75mm MAF
70mm TB
30lb/hr injectors (might run n20 later)
1 5/8 long tube headers
Matching off road h-pipe

[This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 11-02-2001).]

jz_mustang50 · 11-02-2001, 10:18 AM

Hey everyone.... When i talked to my engine builder about rebuilding my motor I basically said that I wanted to run 11's naturally aspriated... I really wasn't concerned with HP, just ET's... I will be happy with less HP but ET's in the 11's with some suspension improvements....

What do you think? IS THAT POSSIBLE?

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Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan

1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles.

SaleenGTS · 11-02-2001, 11:46 AM

Internet Studs?? You are brave. I'm not too far from you, and can very much back up my talk. I would love to see how your Nitrous does against my blower. TV is right down the street from me. King of the Valley is next weekend. $100 to compete. Come on down. BTW, why don't we try a motor/motor race too. No NOS, and no blower. That would be a nice match up.

Yes, you come across thinking you know everything. All you have to do is be respectful and quit replying like "No way" and stuff like that. Just be cool to people and we won't have crap like this.

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Dustin
89 Saleen GT Sport,347, TFS Street Heat Intake(port matched),TFS TW Heads(Stage 2),TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's

516 rwhp
553 rwtq

http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg

12.3@119 street tires OLD MOTOR

11.496@121.08slicks OLD MOTOR

jz_mustang50 · 11-02-2001, 01:39 PM

*****BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION*****
What would your ET guess be on this engine combo!? :-)

Tell me what you think it would really do, 475 horse or not (whatever you think it will make)... My car weights close to stock and has frame ties and new rear control arms w/ new bushings ofcource.

Any guesss??

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Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan

1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles.

haulin'balz · 11-02-2001, 02:36 PM

I'd have to say that that set up would probably runner a little closer to 400 hp - which isn't anything to sneeze at

. I suggested that 1bad and Dustin meet 1/2 way about 1-2 months ago. Now, let's get it on boyz

...... think it's a great idea. And, take some video and post it all up.

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'90 5.0 LX - heads, intake, cam, fuel delivery, gears, full exhaust, pulleys, ignition, drag springs, front brake upgrade, a/c delete, K&N cone filter charger.......and much more!
1/4 mile: 12.29 @115
60': 1.78

my Stang

1BAD89 · 11-02-2001, 03:56 PM

Jz, to answer your question. "I think" you could run 11's with that set-up+all your parts you already have installed+ a little weight reduction, and the Lentech tranny and a 3500 stall, and some slicks.

***Internet Studs?? You are brave. I'm not too far from you, and can very much back up my talk. I would love to see how your Nitrous does against my blower. TV is right down the street from me. King of the Valley is next weekend. $100 to compete. Come on down. BTW, why don't we try a motor/motor race too. No NOS, and no blower. That would be a nice match up.

I think it'd be a pretty good race, either way. I need to find some used rims and slicks, but it's kinda hard since they are 15x14 rims and 17-18 inch slicks. TV=Thunder Valley? Is that a pretty killer track? I will probaly get my truck dyno'd fairly soon, so we'll see how the #'s compare. All I was saying was there was no way the parts he listed would make 450-475hp. I wasn't trying to be rude.

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-1989 GT, not stock.
-2000 Camaro SS-A4,
-1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator,

Unit 5302 · 11-02-2001, 07:25 PM

With the mods you listed, none having port work performed to them, I think you'll be looking at power in the 375hp area. Give or take based on that camshaft. If the cam is very well matched to the combo, you can pick up quite a bit when it's finally tuned and properly set up. If you were turning 7000rpms, or you had 11:1 CR you could close in on that 450.

That's just my opinion from lots of similar combos on this board.

blue oval 50h · 11-03-2001, 01:08 AM

You will definatly be in the 11s. I have afr165s, 90,000mile SB, box-stock cobra intake, 24#ers and go 12.20s.

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11-02-2001, 01:18 AM	#21
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	*jz_mustang50, The combo. you listed is not going to make anywhere near 450-475hp. Sorry. Unless you left off a Vortech etc.., there is just no way. THHHHEEEEE COMBO. HEEEE LISTED ISSSSS NOOOTTT GOOIINNGG TOOO MMAAKKKKEEE ANNYYWWWHHHEEEERRREE NNNEEEAARRR 450-475HP. *1bad89, i wouldnt say "nowhere near" cuz a balanced and blueprinted 306 similar to d.s.s could be near 400 at the wheels, the bottom end would have to be strengthend with main support, but his custom cam would have to be one awesome cam, i still agree you need more compression for those numbers. I didn't say "nowhere near", I said anywhere near. ) J/P With the parts that he listed....is what I said.........I wasn't saying a 306 that was built to the wall wouldn't pull that hp. This was the parts that he said..... 306, Stock block, crank/rods. 9:1 Canfeild 2.02 alum. heads Custom made cam Holley System Max Intake 75mm MAF 70mm TB 30lb/hr injectors (might run n20 later) 1 5/8 long tube headers Matching off road h-pipe [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 11-02-2001).]

11-02-2001, 10:18 AM	#22
jz_mustang50 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	Hey everyone.... When i talked to my engine builder about rebuilding my motor I basically said that I wanted to run 11's naturally aspriated... I really wasn't concerned with HP, just ET's... I will be happy with less HP but ET's in the 11's with some suspension improvements.... What do you think? IS THAT POSSIBLE? ------------------ Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan 1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles.

11-02-2001, 11:46 AM	#23
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	Internet Studs?? You are brave. I'm not too far from you, and can very much back up my talk. I would love to see how your Nitrous does against my blower. TV is right down the street from me. King of the Valley is next weekend. $100 to compete. Come on down. BTW, why don't we try a motor/motor race too. No NOS, and no blower. That would be a nice match up. Yes, you come across thinking you know everything. All you have to do is be respectful and quit replying like "No way" and stuff like that. Just be cool to people and we won't have crap like this. ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,347, TFS Street Heat Intake(port matched),TFS TW Heads(Stage 2),TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 516 rwhp 553 rwtq http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg 12.3@119 street tires OLD MOTOR 11.496@121.08slicks OLD MOTOR

11-02-2001, 01:39 PM	#24
jz_mustang50 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 50	***BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION*** What would your ET guess be on this engine combo!? :-) Tell me what you think it would really do, 475 horse or not (whatever you think it will make)... My car weights close to stock and has frame ties and new rear control arms w/ new bushings ofcource. Any guesss?? ------------------ Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan 1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles.

11-02-2001, 02:36 PM	#25
haulin'balz The Notorious One Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 51	I'd have to say that that set up would probably runner a little closer to 400 hp - which isn't anything to sneeze at . I suggested that 1bad and Dustin meet 1/2 way about 1-2 months ago. Now, let's get it on boyz ...... think it's a great idea. And, take some video and post it all up. ------------------ '90 5.0 LX - heads, intake, cam, fuel delivery, gears, full exhaust, pulleys, ignition, drag springs, front brake upgrade, a/c delete, K&N cone filter charger.......and much more! 1/4 mile: 12.29 @115 60': 1.78 my Stang

11-02-2001, 03:56 PM	#26
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	Jz, to answer your question. "I think" you could run 11's with that set-up+all your parts you already have installed+ a little weight reduction, and the Lentech tranny and a 3500 stall, and some slicks. ***Internet Studs?? You are brave. I'm not too far from you, and can very much back up my talk. I would love to see how your Nitrous does against my blower. TV is right down the street from me. King of the Valley is next weekend. $100 to compete. Come on down. BTW, why don't we try a motor/motor race too. No NOS, and no blower. That would be a nice match up. I think it'd be a pretty good race, either way. I need to find some used rims and slicks, but it's kinda hard since they are 15x14 rims and 17-18 inch slicks. TV=Thunder Valley? Is that a pretty killer track? I will probaly get my truck dyno'd fairly soon, so we'll see how the #'s compare. All I was saying was there was no way the parts he listed would make 450-475hp. I wasn't trying to be rude. ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator,

11-02-2001, 07:25 PM	#27
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	With the mods you listed, none having port work performed to them, I think you'll be looking at power in the 375hp area. Give or take based on that camshaft. If the cam is very well matched to the combo, you can pick up quite a bit when it's finally tuned and properly set up. If you were turning 7000rpms, or you had 11:1 CR you could close in on that 450. That's just my opinion from lots of similar combos on this board.

11-03-2001, 01:08 AM	#28
blue oval 50h Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: NJ Posts: 219	You will definatly be in the 11s. I have afr165s, 90,000mile SB, box-stock cobra intake, 24#ers and go 12.20s.