ok im stuck now

mustangmadman · 09-09-2003, 10:26 PM

i spent all day changing my stock cam for a B cam...........got everything together, fired it up and the timing was off which is normal..........readjusted the distributor and fired it up again, no good................i ended up resetting the distributor 5 times with the engine set at 0 degrees, we advanced the timing, retarded the timing and it is still not right.................running so rich the fuel is practically running out of the exhaust

canukracer · 09-09-2003, 10:29 PM

hate to say this, did you undo the spout connection?

mustangmadman · 09-10-2003, 05:51 PM

what the f%^* is the spout connection???

09-10-2003, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustangmadman
what the f%^* is the spout connection???

The little plug connector right on the distributor that you have to unplug to properly set the timing. Do speed density cars have this though??

whitepony · 09-10-2003, 07:13 PM

yes they have it i have an 88 speed den. and it has on so yes u MUST unplug it to set the timming

canukracer · 09-10-2003, 07:53 PM

have you found the spout?it's a dead end wire nere the distributor pull the end off set timing then shut car the off and reconnect it/do u have a vacuum gauge?if so check whats it read, the map sensor on your car needs like15inchs +or - 2.

mustangmadman · 09-10-2003, 08:28 PM

i got that plug and know how to time the car my big prob is i swapped the stock cam with a b cam...........it idles fine and mean as hell i get on it and it wants to go but it doens go..........it dies off at like 3500 to 4500 rpms..............firing order is fine and timing is fine....................just cant get it to run right while im driving................its not mashing springs or valves because the heads are ported and built gt40p...............i changed the fuel filter as well thinking it might be a fuel starvation problem.......i dont have MAF because its a speeddensity car.............

canukracer · 09-10-2003, 08:56 PM

but you do have a map sensor it's like a power valve on a carb low vacuum reading tells the comp to pour the fuel in.so lower speeds may be fuel loading .so the new cam could be givin you a lower vacuum reading, just tryin anything I can think of, i have speeddensity car too.

mustangmadman · 09-10-2003, 09:03 PM

where and what does this map sensor looklike? where would it be? my car is fuel injected

canukracer · 09-10-2003, 10:09 PM

should be on the firewall it will have a vacuum line to it and also a wire connection,black color/ rextangel shape/ i say this because the heads and intake should make no problems the way it runs but a cam that has lower vacuum than stock could make the problem, need someone that has installed a larger car in a speeddensity cam to answer and tell us what vacuum is ok

mustangmadman · 09-10-2003, 10:16 PM

found the sensors i hope that is it................this is so frusterating.........i have my last MOMS mustang shootout on friday and i need to get it ready to go.....................

canukracer · 09-10-2003, 10:50 PM

the sensor don't have to be the problem, we need to know the amount of vacuum going to it so it operates right,recheck all your vauum lines and listen for a hissing noise.i looked in my mustang book it says B302 and B303 camshafts from ford motorsports are compatible with the EEC-IV COMPUTER as long as the mass air flow system is used.

I hope I'm wrong!

tmoss · 09-11-2003, 01:10 PM

The B cam will not be easy to tune with the SD computer.

mustangmadman · 09-13-2003, 12:39 AM

did some research and the guys in my club who are all mechanics did some research and we found that the cam i installed was a b cam but not a ford b cam..........the stamping on the end reads B18...............we figured its too large to put in my car because mostly everything is stock.................My MOMs Racing season is over for me. car goes into the garage for winter storage and a huge make over for the 2004 racing season. Thanks for all your help..............I will be back faster than hell ROC CITY MUSTANGS(club in rochester)

09-09-2003, 10:26 PM	#1
mustangmadman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: rochester, ny Posts: 31	ok im stuck now i spent all day changing my stock cam for a B cam...........got everything together, fired it up and the timing was off which is normal..........readjusted the distributor and fired it up again, no good................i ended up resetting the distributor 5 times with the engine set at 0 degrees, we advanced the timing, retarded the timing and it is still not right.................running so rich the fuel is practically running out of the exhaust

09-10-2003, 07:13 PM	#5
whitepony Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: ontario canada Posts: 165	spout connector yes they have it i have an 88 speed den. and it has on so yes u MUST unplug it to set the timming

09-10-2003, 10:09 PM	#10
canukracer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: alberta canada Posts: 108	should be on the firewall it will have a vacuum line to it and also a wire connection,black color/ rextangel shape/ i say this because the heads and intake should make no problems the way it runs but a cam that has lower vacuum than stock could make the problem, need someone that has installed a larger car in a speeddensity cam to answer and tell us what vacuum is ok Last edited by canukracer; 09-10-2003 at 10:26 PM..

09-11-2003, 01:10 PM	#13
tmoss Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 634	The B cam will not be easy to tune with the SD computer. __________________ Tom (Torque) Moss 88Gt 5spd Vert, FLowmaster Catbacks, stock cam advanced 4° @ 108.5° ICL, NMRA prepped GT40P heads 1.85/1.55 valves and 1.7 rockers, MAC P headers Jet-Hot coated, 97 Exlporer intake (ported lower), TB and injectors. 277RWHP/330RWTQ (SAE). http://www.fastlanecars.com/

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09-09-2003, 10:29 PM	#2
canukracer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: alberta canada Posts: 108	hate to say this, did you undo the spout connection?

09-10-2003, 05:51 PM	#3
mustangmadman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: rochester, ny Posts: 31	what the f%^* is the spout connection???

09-10-2003, 07:53 PM	#6
canukracer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: alberta canada Posts: 108	have you found the spout?it's a dead end wire nere the distributor pull the end off set timing then shut car the off and reconnect it/do u have a vacuum gauge?if so check whats it read, the map sensor on your car needs like15inchs +or - 2.

09-10-2003, 08:28 PM	#7
mustangmadman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: rochester, ny Posts: 31	i got that plug and know how to time the car my big prob is i swapped the stock cam with a b cam...........it idles fine and mean as hell i get on it and it wants to go but it doens go..........it dies off at like 3500 to 4500 rpms..............firing order is fine and timing is fine....................just cant get it to run right while im driving................its not mashing springs or valves because the heads are ported and built gt40p...............i changed the fuel filter as well thinking it might be a fuel starvation problem.......i dont have MAF because its a speeddensity car.............

09-10-2003, 08:56 PM	#8
canukracer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: alberta canada Posts: 108	but you do have a map sensor it's like a power valve on a carb low vacuum reading tells the comp to pour the fuel in.so lower speeds may be fuel loading .so the new cam could be givin you a lower vacuum reading, just tryin anything I can think of, i have speeddensity car too.

09-10-2003, 09:03 PM	#9
mustangmadman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: rochester, ny Posts: 31	where and what does this map sensor looklike? where would it be? my car is fuel injected

09-10-2003, 10:16 PM	#11
mustangmadman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: rochester, ny Posts: 31	found the sensors i hope that is it................this is so frusterating.........i have my last MOMS mustang shootout on friday and i need to get it ready to go.....................

09-10-2003, 10:50 PM	#12
canukracer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: alberta canada Posts: 108	the sensor don't have to be the problem, we need to know the amount of vacuum going to it so it operates right,recheck all your vauum lines and listen for a hissing noise.i looked in my mustang book it says B302 and B303 camshafts from ford motorsports are compatible with the EEC-IV COMPUTER as long as the mass air flow system is used. I hope I'm wrong!

09-13-2003, 12:39 AM	#14
mustangmadman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: rochester, ny Posts: 31	did some research and the guys in my club who are all mechanics did some research and we found that the cam i installed was a b cam but not a ford b cam..........the stamping on the end reads B18...............we figured its too large to put in my car because mostly everything is stock.................My MOMs Racing season is over for me. car goes into the garage for winter storage and a huge make over for the 2004 racing season. Thanks for all your help..............I will be back faster than hell ROC CITY MUSTANGS(club in rochester)