T/S expertise

88workcar · 12-20-1999, 09:41 PM

Hey Jeff, I e-mailed Porkchop, he responded once, with a who is this? e-mail. Check me out I not anything to worry about. I am just looking to improve myself. I think that I am going to switch to the cam that you fellas are running. But my big question to all of you is this. What electronics do yall run? Mass air, Speed density, Custom chips?

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Jason B Johnson 88LX 206,000 miles, cowl hood, drag lites,92 stock short block with 80,000, E7 heads 1.94/ 1.60s,4.30s,B-303,long tubes,tremec,cobra intake,19lb-40psi,race pully,short belt,aulmdrive shaft,homemade ram air,70/100 hp NOS dry, 70/30 lake woods, 4cyl springs, air bags, boxed lowers, stock uppers,1.6rr,MSD 6-a & coil, timing control, batt in rear,drive it like I hate it.
12.98@108.64radials 2.0 60ft
12.64@107.99slicks 171 60ft
Refilled NOS 11-16-99 will spay soon,I havent sprayed this combo yet?????

12-21-1999, 08:25 AM

There are some that still run stock ignition, but most have gone to a CD ignition such as MSD, ACCEL or Jacobs. I'm not sure that they really give any HP advantage, but the increased spark energy is nice especially if you've increased the compression ratio significantly. A custom burned chip is OK, but really doesn't gain us NA guys a whole lot; usually less than 5HP.

I can't think of anyone right off the bat that is speed density. Everyone is Mass Air which lets us go with larger MAS, injectors, etc.

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Jeff Chambers
T/S #4
12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH
http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

[This message has been edited by jchambers (edited 12-21-1999).]

88workcar · 12-21-1999, 07:14 PM

Thanks, I do have the MSD6A and Coil Do you think I should go to Mass AIR. Also how much are your heads shaved. And finally what would you do next in my package.

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Jason B Johnson 88LX 206,000 miles, cowl hood, drag lites,92 stock short block with 80,000, E7 heads 1.94/ 1.60s,4.30s,B-303,long tubes,tremec,cobra intake,19lb-40psi,race pully,short belt,aulmdrive shaft,homemade ram air,70/100 hp NOS dry, 70/30 lake woods, 4cyl springs, air bags, boxed lowers, stock uppers,1.6rr,MSD 6-a & coil, timing control, batt in rear,drive it like I hate it.
12.98@108.64radials 2.0 60ft
12.64@107.99slicks 171 60ft
Refilled NOS 11-16-99 will spay soon,I havent sprayed this combo yet?????

12-22-1999, 08:02 AM

You'll have to make some changes in your setup. Any head used in T/S must have the OEM sized valve for that head. You're 1.94/1.60's would have to go. The long tubes would also have to go...shorty headers only. The battery will also have to come back up from. The 4.30's could be hurting you also since you've got to turn a little over six grand through the traps to hit 110mph. This is past the peak of the HP curve for a long runner intake motor. Increase your injector size though; you're probably hitting 100% duty cycle around 4400rpm with the HP your making. That should be good to gain back at least a little of the HP you'll be loosing by making the changes above.

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Jeff Chambers
T/S #4
12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH
http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

88workcar · 12-22-1999, 08:44 PM

Jeff, I'm sitting here laughing. I envey you guys. I cannot go racing with yall. I ask the same questions again. I am only trying to better my performance, And luckily I don't have to follow the "RULES" Thanks for the effort. And Please ansewer again with out the T/S limitations. If you were in my car what would you do. I do have in mind to get 4.10s the 4.30s were free and my 3.55s were getting noisy. (.020--.060) on the heads???????

12-23-1999, 07:05 AM

Shaving the heads a little wouldn't hurt. The stock compression ratio is so low that anything you can pick up is worth the effort. Head milling is pretty cheap assuming you don't get carried away and have to start angle-milling, fly-cutting or machining the intake.

Definitely spring for some larger injectors. This is where the Mass Air system would benefit you. More tuning options IMHO. You could upgrade the MAS and injectors. Pro-M has a sweet new 80mm unit.

Also, you don't say what you've done for exhaust. If you've still got the cats on your H-pipe, dump 'em. Go 2 1/2" all the way back through some free-flowing mufflers. I prefer the Flowmaster 2-chambers.

Shed weight in the beast wherever you can and stiffen the chassis with some weld-in subframe connectors. If you're running on slicks often, then bullet-proof the rearend with cap studs, a girdle and some Moser axles w/ long studs.

Ahhhhh. So much to do, so little time and money.

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Jeff Chambers
T/S #4
12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH
http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

88workcar · 12-23-1999, 07:53 AM

If I can remember: 1 5/8 long tubes,offroad h-pipe,2 1/2 all the way,2 1/2 2chamber flowmasters dumped,MSD-6a,blaster 2 coil,timing controller(for NOS),Batt in rear, 70/30 struts,boxed lowers,stock uppers,no sway bars,race crank pully,short belt(alt,water),65mmTB,cobra(cleaned up a little),1.6RR,b-303,heads.020,1.94/1.60,bowlhogged,ported by me,fuel pressure reg,monster tach,3550 tremac,aulm drive shaft. I have cut a 1.59 60ft, would I benifit with an E-303 or the crane 214/220 .483/.498 112 ? And should I get the 4.10s, I do have 24# injectors in the shed, if you think the mass air will help I can get the computer and harness for $100.00, What meter?

T/S # 25 · 12-28-1999, 09:01 PM

Try the new plastic Pro-M 80mm mass air meter. We haven't had a problem with them yet. Just my 2 cents.

JOE
T/S # 7
12.80 @ 107.89

12-29-1999, 08:29 AM

I'll second that. What a purty piece it is! I haven't had a chance to use mine yet (snow you know) but if it works half as good as it looks like it should then its a killer piece. I've never had a single problem with a Pro-M meter and I'm on my third one.

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Jeff Chambers
T/S #4
12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH
http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

88workcar · 01-01-2000, 11:06 AM

Hey T/S #25 do you have a site like Jeff to where I can go see your mods?

T/S # 25 · 01-02-2000, 08:35 PM

No I sure don't, but I'll tell you what I've got done.
1990 LX Coupe
140,000 mile short block
Motorsport E-303 Cam
Unported Cobra Intake
65mm Accufab Throttle Body
Pro-M 75mm Mass Air Meter
GT-40P Heads
Motorsport 1 5/8 Headers
2 1/2 H-Pipe
Flowmaster Mufflers w/ Turndowns
Motorsport Windage Tray
A/C, P/S, A/P Removed
Auto Specialties Race Pulleys
3025 lbs. w/ Driver
Welds w/ 26 x 10 M/T Slicks

Best 60ft. 1.58
Best 1/8. 7.72/87.17
Best 1/4. 12.27/110.41

JOE T/S # 7

88workcar · 01-03-2000, 10:10 PM

Joe I am sure that you are using a 4.10 gear also? Did you do any work to the GT-Ps or are they box stock. I don't have to worry about rules like you all do. I do want to stay with an iron head. Would I do better with the GT-Ps or a DART jr? And either way I go what is a fair price to pay for professional porting. Also if ANY of you T/S guys come up with 2nd hand goodies to sell let me know if they are not allready promised away? Thanks allways Jason

T/S # 25 · 01-03-2000, 11:07 PM

Yes I am using 4.10 gears. My heads were gasket matched per T/S rules. Seeing as you don't have to abide by these rules, I would go with a set of Dart's myself. Ron at Fox Lake, in Ohio, has been porting heads and intakes for our shop, IDLE Wild Racing, for a while now and has been doing great work for us. I would give him a call and see what he can do for you. We have also use Powered By Ford in Orlando, FL. on occasion. Hope this helps you out some.

JOE
T/S # 7
12.80 @ 107.89

88workcar · 01-04-2000, 07:03 AM

Is your 12.80 107 a run with 275lbs added to you car. I have done buisness with PBF I liked them.

T/S # 25 · 01-05-2000, 01:41 PM

Yes the 12.80 run was at about 3320. But that was with my old stock GT-40 heads and un-gasketmatched lower.I also didn't have my windage tray installed, and had a HUGE vacuum leak that was making the car run very lean. It wasn't till I went to replace my GT-40's with my new GT-40P's that I found the lower intake to be warped.

JOE
T/S # 7
12.80 @ 107.89

Beni · 01-07-2000, 08:23 PM

Idle Wild racing? Largo, FL? I had a really good friend that went there all the time to get things for his car. He had a 93GT auto...you guys converted it to a Tremec installed an intake etc... I think he said Dan was the guy he always talked to. Very nicely run place.

01-07-2000, 10:28 PM

Don't let Joe fool ya...he just sweeps the floors at Idle Wild and really drives a '72 lime green Pinto with a bitchin' 8-track stereo system ;^)

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Jeff Chambers
T/S #4
12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH
http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

T/S # 25 · 01-07-2000, 11:36 PM

Got the motor in tonight. Forgot to bring the flywheel to the shop so I'll have to finish up tomorrow. All I've got to say Jeff is " WAIT TILL BRADENTON !!! ". Lime green my ass, it's sh*t brown.

JOE
T/S # 7
12.80 @ 107.89

01-07-2000, 11:50 PM

Can't wait until Bradenton dude...you and me...second round!

Picked up my rockers today and had the flywheel surfaced earlier this week. My damper should be here the first of the week. Now if I just had somebody to show me how to put it all together! Whatayadoin' this weekend?

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Jeff Chambers
T/S #4
12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH
http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

T/S # 25 · 01-08-2000, 11:54 PM

I said it once, and I'll say it again. Either send me a plane ticket, or load it up on the trailer and get it down here. I don't think we have too much work at the shop the week before Bradenton, so if it comes down to it, come down a few days early and we'll get it together.

JOE
T/S # 7
12.80 @ 107.89

12-20-1999, 09:41 PM	#1
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	T/S expertise Hey Jeff, I e-mailed Porkchop, he responded once, with a who is this? e-mail. Check me out I not anything to worry about. I am just looking to improve myself. I think that I am going to switch to the cam that you fellas are running. But my big question to all of you is this. What electronics do yall run? Mass air, Speed density, Custom chips? ------------------ Jason B Johnson 88LX 206,000 miles, cowl hood, drag lites,92 stock short block with 80,000, E7 heads 1.94/ 1.60s,4.30s,B-303,long tubes,tremec,cobra intake,19lb-40psi,race pully,short belt,aulmdrive shaft,homemade ram air,70/100 hp NOS dry, 70/30 lake woods, 4cyl springs, air bags, boxed lowers, stock uppers,1.6rr,MSD 6-a & coil, timing control, batt in rear,drive it like I hate it. 12.98@108.64radials 2.0 60ft 12.64@107.99slicks 171 60ft Refilled NOS 11-16-99 will spay soon,I havent sprayed this combo yet?????

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88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	Thanks, I do have the MSD6A and Coil Do you think I should go to Mass AIR. Also how much are your heads shaved. And finally what would you do next in my package. ------------------ Jason B Johnson 88LX 206,000 miles, cowl hood, drag lites,92 stock short block with 80,000, E7 heads 1.94/ 1.60s,4.30s,B-303,long tubes,tremec,cobra intake,19lb-40psi,race pully,short belt,aulmdrive shaft,homemade ram air,70/100 hp NOS dry, 70/30 lake woods, 4cyl springs, air bags, boxed lowers, stock uppers,1.6rr,MSD 6-a & coil, timing control, batt in rear,drive it like I hate it. 12.98@108.64radials 2.0 60ft 12.64@107.99slicks 171 60ft Refilled NOS 11-16-99 will spay soon,I havent sprayed this combo yet?????

12-22-1999, 08:02 AM	#4
jchambers Guest Posts: n/a	You'll have to make some changes in your setup. Any head used in T/S must have the OEM sized valve for that head. You're 1.94/1.60's would have to go. The long tubes would also have to go...shorty headers only. The battery will also have to come back up from. The 4.30's could be hurting you also since you've got to turn a little over six grand through the traps to hit 110mph. This is past the peak of the HP curve for a long runner intake motor. Increase your injector size though; you're probably hitting 100% duty cycle around 4400rpm with the HP your making. That should be good to gain back at least a little of the HP you'll be loosing by making the changes above. ------------------ Jeff Chambers T/S #4 12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

12-22-1999, 08:44 PM	#5
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	Jeff, I'm sitting here laughing. I envey you guys. I cannot go racing with yall. I ask the same questions again. I am only trying to better my performance, And luckily I don't have to follow the "RULES" Thanks for the effort. And Please ansewer again with out the T/S limitations. If you were in my car what would you do. I do have in mind to get 4.10s the 4.30s were free and my 3.55s were getting noisy. (.020--.060) on the heads???????

12-23-1999, 07:05 AM	#6
jchambers Guest Posts: n/a	Shaving the heads a little wouldn't hurt. The stock compression ratio is so low that anything you can pick up is worth the effort. Head milling is pretty cheap assuming you don't get carried away and have to start angle-milling, fly-cutting or machining the intake. Definitely spring for some larger injectors. This is where the Mass Air system would benefit you. More tuning options IMHO. You could upgrade the MAS and injectors. Pro-M has a sweet new 80mm unit. Also, you don't say what you've done for exhaust. If you've still got the cats on your H-pipe, dump 'em. Go 2 1/2" all the way back through some free-flowing mufflers. I prefer the Flowmaster 2-chambers. Shed weight in the beast wherever you can and stiffen the chassis with some weld-in subframe connectors. If you're running on slicks often, then bullet-proof the rearend with cap studs, a girdle and some Moser axles w/ long studs. Ahhhhh. So much to do, so little time and money. ------------------ Jeff Chambers T/S #4 12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

12-23-1999, 07:53 AM	#7
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	If I can remember: 1 5/8 long tubes,offroad h-pipe,2 1/2 all the way,2 1/2 2chamber flowmasters dumped,MSD-6a,blaster 2 coil,timing controller(for NOS),Batt in rear, 70/30 struts,boxed lowers,stock uppers,no sway bars,race crank pully,short belt(alt,water),65mmTB,cobra(cleaned up a little),1.6RR,b-303,heads.020,1.94/1.60,bowlhogged,ported by me,fuel pressure reg,monster tach,3550 tremac,aulm drive shaft. I have cut a 1.59 60ft, would I benifit with an E-303 or the crane 214/220 .483/.498 112 ? And should I get the 4.10s, I do have 24# injectors in the shed, if you think the mass air will help I can get the computer and harness for $100.00, What meter?

12-28-1999, 09:01 PM	#8
T/S # 25 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Pinellas Park, FL. Posts: 280	Try the new plastic Pro-M 80mm mass air meter. We haven't had a problem with them yet. Just my 2 cents. JOE T/S # 7 12.80 @ 107.89

12-29-1999, 08:29 AM	#9
jchambers Guest Posts: n/a	I'll second that. What a purty piece it is! I haven't had a chance to use mine yet (snow you know) but if it works half as good as it looks like it should then its a killer piece. I've never had a single problem with a Pro-M meter and I'm on my third one. ------------------ Jeff Chambers T/S #4 12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

01-01-2000, 11:06 AM	#10
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	Hey T/S #25 do you have a site like Jeff to where I can go see your mods?

01-02-2000, 08:35 PM	#11
T/S # 25 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Pinellas Park, FL. Posts: 280	No I sure don't, but I'll tell you what I've got done. 1990 LX Coupe 140,000 mile short block Motorsport E-303 Cam Unported Cobra Intake 65mm Accufab Throttle Body Pro-M 75mm Mass Air Meter GT-40P Heads Motorsport 1 5/8 Headers 2 1/2 H-Pipe Flowmaster Mufflers w/ Turndowns Motorsport Windage Tray A/C, P/S, A/P Removed Auto Specialties Race Pulleys 3025 lbs. w/ Driver Welds w/ 26 x 10 M/T Slicks Best 60ft. 1.58 Best 1/8. 7.72/87.17 Best 1/4. 12.27/110.41 JOE T/S # 7

01-03-2000, 10:10 PM	#12
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	Joe I am sure that you are using a 4.10 gear also? Did you do any work to the GT-Ps or are they box stock. I don't have to worry about rules like you all do. I do want to stay with an iron head. Would I do better with the GT-Ps or a DART jr? And either way I go what is a fair price to pay for professional porting. Also if ANY of you T/S guys come up with 2nd hand goodies to sell let me know if they are not allready promised away? Thanks allways Jason

01-03-2000, 11:07 PM	#13
T/S # 25 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Pinellas Park, FL. Posts: 280	Yes I am using 4.10 gears. My heads were gasket matched per T/S rules. Seeing as you don't have to abide by these rules, I would go with a set of Dart's myself. Ron at Fox Lake, in Ohio, has been porting heads and intakes for our shop, IDLE Wild Racing, for a while now and has been doing great work for us. I would give him a call and see what he can do for you. We have also use Powered By Ford in Orlando, FL. on occasion. Hope this helps you out some. JOE T/S # 7 12.80 @ 107.89

01-04-2000, 07:03 AM	#14
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	Is your 12.80 107 a run with 275lbs added to you car. I have done buisness with PBF I liked them.

01-05-2000, 01:41 PM	#15
T/S # 25 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Pinellas Park, FL. Posts: 280	Yes the 12.80 run was at about 3320. But that was with my old stock GT-40 heads and un-gasketmatched lower.I also didn't have my windage tray installed, and had a HUGE vacuum leak that was making the car run very lean. It wasn't till I went to replace my GT-40's with my new GT-40P's that I found the lower intake to be warped. JOE T/S # 7 12.80 @ 107.89

01-07-2000, 08:23 PM	#16
Beni Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Jacksonville, NC(station) and Tampa FL Posts: 37	Idle Wild racing? Largo, FL? I had a really good friend that went there all the time to get things for his car. He had a 93GT auto...you guys converted it to a Tremec installed an intake etc... I think he said Dan was the guy he always talked to. Very nicely run place.

01-07-2000, 10:28 PM	#17
jchambers Guest Posts: n/a	Don't let Joe fool ya...he just sweeps the floors at Idle Wild and really drives a '72 lime green Pinto with a bitchin' 8-track stereo system ;^) ------------------ Jeff Chambers T/S #4 12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

01-07-2000, 11:36 PM	#18
T/S # 25 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Pinellas Park, FL. Posts: 280	Got the motor in tonight. Forgot to bring the flywheel to the shop so I'll have to finish up tomorrow. All I've got to say Jeff is " WAIT TILL BRADENTON !!! ". Lime green my ass, it's sh*t brown. JOE T/S # 7 12.80 @ 107.89

01-07-2000, 11:50 PM	#19
jchambers Guest Posts: n/a	Can't wait until Bradenton dude...you and me...second round! Picked up my rockers today and had the flywheel surfaced earlier this week. My damper should be here the first of the week. Now if I just had somebody to show me how to put it all together! Whatayadoin' this weekend? ------------------ Jeff Chambers T/S #4 12.40 Seconds/109.5 MPH http://www.kellnet.com/chambers/default.htm

01-08-2000, 11:54 PM	#20
T/S # 25 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Pinellas Park, FL. Posts: 280	I said it once, and I'll say it again. Either send me a plane ticket, or load it up on the trailer and get it down here. I don't think we have too much work at the shop the week before Bradenton, so if it comes down to it, come down a few days early and we'll get it together. JOE T/S # 7 12.80 @ 107.89