My first Supercharger

techsan · 06-09-2003, 12:58 PM

I recently acquired a low compression 306 short block, and I am thinking of using a blower on it. I plan on getting some AFR 185 heads and all the other assorted goodies. This will be the first supercharged motor in one of my cars, and I am wondering if anyone had any advice on brands I should go with. I am not planning on having more than 9 pounds of boost, and I would like something that is somewhat easy to install, since this is the first one I have built and all. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

wolverine1 · 06-12-2003, 01:34 PM

Vortech s trim

crewzin · 06-12-2003, 09:09 PM

As far a installation goes the Powerdyne is the easiest and cheaper than the others. Power is limited to around 400 to 500 hp on a built motor unless you go with the new X. Going with a Vortech,Paxton or Procharger is a good idea if you want a setup that you can build on later. What year model stang do you have?

Stang_Crazy · 06-14-2003, 11:18 PM

IMO, Paxton NOVI 1000. Call be biased

94ViperT56 · 06-15-2003, 09:53 PM

I'm in a similar situation. My DSS Pro Bullet 306 with AFR 185s has around 1600 miles on it now and I'm ready to order my s/c. I have 8.7:1 compression and all along I've had my mind set on a NOVI 2000. DSS said my particular app could easily handle 15 psi, which should easily make 530 or so rwhp.

Paxtons are relatively easy, no I haven't installed one yet, but there is no intercooler to mess with so that makes it easier right away. The general thing I've heard is that if there's one thing that sets the Paxtons apart its the brackets. They are simply the best design and the strongest. I met the owner of this site, I believe his name is Dan, at the Ford 100 Year Anniversary Celebration in Dearborn, MI this weekend and he showed me the Paxton he has on his car, and explained to me how easy it is to put tension on the belts, and how belt slippage simply isn't an issue.

Considering you can now get NOVI 2000s for around $3000 satin and $3300 polished from musclemotors.com, there's no reason not to pick up a Paxton. Thats just my opinion though, there's no doubt that Vortech and ATI are good also, but let me close with this, what was the first supercharger ever offered as a FACTORY option on Mustangs in the 60s? Yep, Paxton.

Good luck!

Stang_Crazy · 06-17-2003, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 94ViperT56
I've had my mind set on a NOVI 2000. DSS said my particular app could easily handle 15 psi, which should easily make 530 or so rwhp.

If you get bored with 15 psi, the Novi 2k maxes out at 27 psi. That should keep you happy for a while

When you get your blower installed, PM me with some pics! I wanna see how everything turns out!

buddha · 06-17-2003, 07:20 PM

I have the NOVI, and it is a killer setup......much better design than the Procharger I had. Like 94ViperT56 stated, the brackets are probably the best out there, and the belt tensioner is awesome......I can use a 1/4 drive an 1 finger to adjust the tension.

I'd say the S-trim or the NOVI 2000 would be a good choice. Both run well at 10psi and can run much more. Since this is your first blower car, I'd give one of these a try. If you up the boost, your heading for the 500hp mark, which means more parts to support the added power.

ArtMan · 06-23-2003, 01:05 PM

Vortech S-Trim

bri32zz · 06-23-2003, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crewzin
As far a installation goes the Powerdyne is the easiest and cheaper than the others. Power is limited to around 400 to 500 hp on a built motor unless you go with the new X. Going with a Vortech,Paxton or Procharger is a good idea if you want a setup that you can build on later. What year model stang do you have?

Not true my friend. I can beg to differ. In all reallity a bd-ll can run 18psi....they will not recommend it cause of the internal belt drive, but it can happen. The xb-1a can handle around 30 psi. MM&FF's did an article where they got around 600 or so hp with just 9psi out of the bd-11

bri32zz · 06-23-2003, 09:48 PM

Here is one (Powerdyne BD-11) sitting on an engine making 621 rwhp. And it is my car so I know from first hand experience that they are good blowers. I would of loved to go with another brand at the time of installation but money was tight. I now have no regrets whatsoever

jonnyk · 07-15-2003, 06:48 AM

I'd say if you are budget minded the Novi 1000 is the best blower for the money. They make great power and come with quality accessories and brackets. If you have the extra cash, the Novi 2000 is a huge step above it. Makes tons of power on just about any engine from street to wild, plus you can cog drive them and go crazy.
I'm not a big fan of the Powerdyin's, they have internal belt issues. One guy I knew had a BD-11 that snapped 3 belts before he traded to a Novi 1000. No problems now.

wolverine1 · 07-15-2003, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bri32zz
Here is one (Powerdyne BD-11) sitting on an engine making 621 rwhp. And it is my car so I know from first hand experience that they are good blowers. I would of loved to go with another brand at the time of installation but money was tight. I now have no regrets whatsoever

Hey 42psi injector 750rwhp what type of fuel pump you are running in your CAR OR FUEL SYSTEM

bri32zz · 07-15-2003, 09:38 PM

I am runnig a 255 in tank and the bbk in line fuel pump. I am not too sure how many gallons it is rated at. I need to move up to the 55# injector as it is. But the money is tight right now

wolverine1 · 07-16-2003, 12:05 AM

A stock fuel system 255 pump in tank in BBK is not enough to support 750 rwhp. That puts your car around 825 fly wheel. If my calculation is right, you will need more than 42 pound injectors and a lot more fuel. I blew my first motor with 42 pound injectors and I only had 585 rwhp. That was around 650 to the fly wheel. I had two pumps 255 and a in line T-Rex. I had to upgrade to a complete fuel system with 10 lines 8 return and 2 weldon 2025 and 55 pound injectors. You should take your car to a different Dyno because it's giving you the wrong numbers. You would have blown your motor on the first pass.

bri32zz · 07-16-2003, 02:59 PM

I beg to differ. We can flame on this issue all day long. 42lb injectors will easily support up to 825hp. It tends to lean out up top. I have had many top engine builders work on my car and they agree I should have 55lb injectors but with the right dyno tune and rev limiter 42 injector will work. And my fuel pumps are more than enough to support my set-up. Now If you would like I can get into detail by giving you phone numbers to verify everything.thank you sir

06-09-2003, 12:58 PM	#1
techsan Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 20	My first Supercharger I recently acquired a low compression 306 short block, and I am thinking of using a blower on it. I plan on getting some AFR 185 heads and all the other assorted goodies. This will be the first supercharged motor in one of my cars, and I am wondering if anyone had any advice on brands I should go with. I am not planning on having more than 9 pounds of boost, and I would like something that is somewhat easy to install, since this is the first one I have built and all. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

06-12-2003, 01:34 PM	#2
wolverine1 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 25	Vortech s trim __________________ WILLIE 95 COBRA DART SHORT BLOCK VICTOR JR HEAD 77# INJECTOR FUEL SYSTEM Vortech YS Trim Viper T56 15psi 690 rwhp 702 tq pump gas 25psi 863.6 rwhp 946 tq C16 race Build by LaMotta Performance (407) 695-4549 Microtech Management By C-F-T(321)235-9959

06-12-2003, 09:09 PM	#3
crewzin Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sour Lake, TX Posts: 211	Blowin'n Goin' As far a installation goes the Powerdyne is the easiest and cheaper than the others. Power is limited to around 400 to 500 hp on a built motor unless you go with the new X. Going with a Vortech,Paxton or Procharger is a good idea if you want a setup that you can build on later. What year model stang do you have?

06-14-2003, 11:18 PM	#4
Stang_Crazy It's never clean enough! Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Shaler, PA Posts: 1,542	IMO, Paxton NOVI 1000. Call be biased __________________ ~Dan 2001 SVT Lightning 89' GT : Taking up garage space and waiting for a buyer... Rice Hater's Club - Member #11

06-15-2003, 09:53 PM	#5
94ViperT56 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1	I'm in a similar situation. My DSS Pro Bullet 306 with AFR 185s has around 1600 miles on it now and I'm ready to order my s/c. I have 8.7:1 compression and all along I've had my mind set on a NOVI 2000. DSS said my particular app could easily handle 15 psi, which should easily make 530 or so rwhp. Paxtons are relatively easy, no I haven't installed one yet, but there is no intercooler to mess with so that makes it easier right away. The general thing I've heard is that if there's one thing that sets the Paxtons apart its the brackets. They are simply the best design and the strongest. I met the owner of this site, I believe his name is Dan, at the Ford 100 Year Anniversary Celebration in Dearborn, MI this weekend and he showed me the Paxton he has on his car, and explained to me how easy it is to put tension on the belts, and how belt slippage simply isn't an issue. Considering you can now get NOVI 2000s for around $3000 satin and $3300 polished from musclemotors.com, there's no reason not to pick up a Paxton. Thats just my opinion though, there's no doubt that Vortech and ATI are good also, but let me close with this, what was the first supercharger ever offered as a FACTORY option on Mustangs in the 60s? Yep, Paxton. Good luck! __________________ \| DSS Pro Bullet 306 \| AFR 185 \| Holley SysteMAX \| CompCams camshaft \| BBK 70mm TB \| Pro-M 80mm MAF & 38lb. injectors \| Aeromotive Competition fuel system \| \| D&D Viper T56 \| SPEC Stg. III \| Fidanza aluminum flywheel \| aluminum driveshaft \| STEEDA quadrant & firewall adjuster \| 4.10s \| Eaton POSI \| Moser 31s \| \| Maximum Motorsports front and rear coilovers, panhard bar, lower control arms, full length subframe connectors, c/c plates \| D&D a-arms \| Performance Automotive chromoly K-member \|

06-17-2003, 07:20 PM	#7
buddha Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Washington, MO Posts: 327	I have the NOVI, and it is a killer setup......much better design than the Procharger I had. Like 94ViperT56 stated, the brackets are probably the best out there, and the belt tensioner is awesome......I can use a 1/4 drive an 1 finger to adjust the tension. I'd say the S-trim or the NOVI 2000 would be a good choice. Both run well at 10psi and can run much more. Since this is your first blower car, I'd give one of these a try. If you up the boost, your heading for the 500hp mark, which means more parts to support the added power.

06-23-2003, 01:05 PM	#8
ArtMan Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 45	Seconded Vortech S-Trim

06-23-2003, 09:48 PM	#10
bri32zz Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canton GA Posts: 216	Here is one (Powerdyne BD-11) sitting on an engine making 621 rwhp. And it is my car so I know from first hand experience that they are good blowers. I would of loved to go with another brand at the time of installation but money was tight. I now have no regrets whatsoever __________________ My CAR IS GONE R.I.P----I miss YOU 331ci, 69 Windsor heads ported and shaved , Trick Flow-Intake ported,JE blower pistons, Custom cam 542 lift, 1.73 rrs, Equal length headers, BBK Hi-Flow cats, Hurst shifter, 3:73 gears, Tremec 3550 tranny,Lakewood drag suspension-90/10 in front and 50/50 in the back. Lakewood traction bars. Edelbrock 70mm tb, K&N filter, Kirban fuel reguator, Custom sub-Frame connectors,83 lb squirters, powerdyne blower with 12psi pulley, http://www.pumpoperators.com/brian/ Rice Haters Club Member #82 My wife is AWSOME!!!!!!!!

07-15-2003, 06:48 AM	#11
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	I'd say if you are budget minded the Novi 1000 is the best blower for the money. They make great power and come with quality accessories and brackets. If you have the extra cash, the Novi 2000 is a huge step above it. Makes tons of power on just about any engine from street to wild, plus you can cog drive them and go crazy. I'm not a big fan of the Powerdyin's, they have internal belt issues. One guy I knew had a BD-11 that snapped 3 belts before he traded to a Novi 1000. No problems now. __________________ Novi 2000 now spinning off the snout of the 331... Mods Pics

07-15-2003, 09:38 PM	#13
bri32zz Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canton GA Posts: 216	I am runnig a 255 in tank and the bbk in line fuel pump. I am not too sure how many gallons it is rated at. I need to move up to the 55# injector as it is. But the money is tight right now __________________ My CAR IS GONE R.I.P----I miss YOU 331ci, 69 Windsor heads ported and shaved , Trick Flow-Intake ported,JE blower pistons, Custom cam 542 lift, 1.73 rrs, Equal length headers, BBK Hi-Flow cats, Hurst shifter, 3:73 gears, Tremec 3550 tranny,Lakewood drag suspension-90/10 in front and 50/50 in the back. Lakewood traction bars. Edelbrock 70mm tb, K&N filter, Kirban fuel reguator, Custom sub-Frame connectors,83 lb squirters, powerdyne blower with 12psi pulley, http://www.pumpoperators.com/brian/ Rice Haters Club Member #82 My wife is AWSOME!!!!!!!!

07-16-2003, 12:05 AM	#14
wolverine1 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 25	A stock fuel system 255 pump in tank in BBK is not enough to support 750 rwhp. That puts your car around 825 fly wheel. If my calculation is right, you will need more than 42 pound injectors and a lot more fuel. I blew my first motor with 42 pound injectors and I only had 585 rwhp. That was around 650 to the fly wheel. I had two pumps 255 and a in line T-Rex. I had to upgrade to a complete fuel system with 10 lines 8 return and 2 weldon 2025 and 55 pound injectors. You should take your car to a different Dyno because it's giving you the wrong numbers. You would have blown your motor on the first pass. __________________ WILLIE 95 COBRA DART SHORT BLOCK VICTOR JR HEAD 77# INJECTOR FUEL SYSTEM Vortech YS Trim Viper T56 15psi 690 rwhp 702 tq pump gas 25psi 863.6 rwhp 946 tq C16 race Build by LaMotta Performance (407) 695-4549 Microtech Management By C-F-T(321)235-9959

07-16-2003, 02:59 PM	#15
bri32zz Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canton GA Posts: 216	I beg to differ. We can flame on this issue all day long. 42lb injectors will easily support up to 825hp. It tends to lean out up top. I have had many top engine builders work on my car and they agree I should have 55lb injectors but with the right dyno tune and rev limiter 42 injector will work. And my fuel pumps are more than enough to support my set-up. Now If you would like I can get into detail by giving you phone numbers to verify everything.thank you sir __________________ My CAR IS GONE R.I.P----I miss YOU 331ci, 69 Windsor heads ported and shaved , Trick Flow-Intake ported,JE blower pistons, Custom cam 542 lift, 1.73 rrs, Equal length headers, BBK Hi-Flow cats, Hurst shifter, 3:73 gears, Tremec 3550 tranny,Lakewood drag suspension-90/10 in front and 50/50 in the back. Lakewood traction bars. Edelbrock 70mm tb, K&N filter, Kirban fuel reguator, Custom sub-Frame connectors,83 lb squirters, powerdyne blower with 12psi pulley, http://www.pumpoperators.com/brian/ Rice Haters Club Member #82 My wife is AWSOME!!!!!!!!

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