Opinions on engine set-up

90lxracer · 10-10-2002, 07:19 PM

I need some opinions. I have a stock 1990 lx hatch 5.0. I am starting to put a lot of money into it and wanted to know what your opinions are on the things im going to get:

-Holley System Max Kit (system max II heads, 276/280 roller cam, Intake manifold, Roller timing chain, Push rods, Arp cylinder head bolts)
-Ford Racing 30 lb/hr injectors w/ 70mm mass air meter
-Holley 70/75? mm throttle body w/egr spacers
-Ford racing Roller rockers (1.6:1)
-Richmond 3.73 rear end
-Tremec transmission 5spd. ( which one?)
-Centerforce dual friction clutch
-Longtube headers (what brand/size is best)
-Off-road x-pipe(best brand/size?)

I appreciate all of your input in advance.

90lxracer · 10-10-2002, 08:30 PM

I'm kinda new to this so any advice would help a lot.

88workcar · 10-11-2002, 05:22 AM

That is a well thought out set up. I'm not sure about the 30lbs but the rest is killer. When done, you will be one happy camper. Get the TKO. Get MAC exhast. And sence money don't seem to be in the way, go with an alum flywheel as well. Once all this is done you will need some suspension parts. Either dragg or road, too much power on stock suspension will make your package seem to fall short.

Mustang_289 · 10-11-2002, 06:12 AM

Might also want to consider Kenny Brown sub-frame connectors to sure up your frame. We have all MAC exhaust with long-tube headers. All long-tube headers are fun to put in - the MAC long-tube headers are real close to the steering linkage and sometimes rubs. You talk to MAC they recommend replacing the motor mounts with Ford OEM if the header rubs linkage. The MAC has an awesome sound with the long-tube headers.

If you go with long-tubes - I would also suggest getting them Jet-Hot ceramic coated. As the MAC HTS coating starts to look bad after a year. Plus the ceramic coating keeps heat out of your engine compartment.

LX XLR8R · 10-11-2002, 08:39 AM

i agree MAC exhaust is the way to go..get there long tubes and offroad hpipe and spend the extra $20 and get the coated ones..

as for the combo..id stay with the 70mm TB and go with a pro-m77 mass air meter and 24# injectors..24's should be plenty considering ive gone mid 11's on stock 19#ers...

the tremec you want to be looking at is the 3550 and grab a pro-5oh shifter when you pick it up..

IMO i didnt really care for the CFDF2 clutch..once again the king cobra is goodnuff for 1.5 60ft on slicks going 11's

just me but i stick with motorsport gears..for the price you cant beet it and ive never heards of a set going bad and some richmends whine eeven when setup right

if you wanna go even fatser than loose the holly cam for a anderson motorsport..talk to rick91gt for info on Holly..hes the man for that

hope this helps

bigred90gt · 10-11-2002, 08:55 AM

I'm unsure about the MAC longtubes, but the equal length shorties are a pain to install. BBK makes good headers that are easy to install and look great. Which ever way you go, definately get the ceramic coated. I would go with the Bassani X pipe, but that's just me. That's what I use and I love it. I can't tell you the gain of the X pipe alone, because I put it and a bunch of things on at the same time, but I'm sure it is a noticable difference and it sounds great, IMO.
Caymon

Killercanary · 10-11-2002, 09:29 AM

We have the same setup in my dad's car. With the "old" holley cam (the one with 107* lobe seperation) he ran a best of 12.6 at 107mph on ET streets. He had the holley kit, 30lb injectors, 70mm T-body, 76mm C&L MAF, FMS shorty ceramic headers, offroad bassani X, borla mufflers w/ turn downs., and 1.6 rockers.

We had some issues with the old kit, and it was replaced by holley, the new kit comes with a different cam (it has 112* lobe sep.). We then sent he kit to Ed C. from Flow Tech Induction and had the heads and intake ported, a new shortblock assembled with lightweight 10:1 pistons and then balanced and had a girdle added, FTI custom cam, TKO tranny, 4.30 gears, 31 spline axles, and 8 point S&W cage. We're shooting for the 11's, but we are still working the bugs out. So far it has pumped out 323RWHP, but its no where near its potential yet. We think we may have the cam degree'd in wrong, so we are redoing that this coming week, and the ignition needs some work, its cutting out above 6300. The car should go mid-high 11's when we're done.

90lxracer · 10-11-2002, 05:01 PM

Thanks for all your input.....i am going with Mac longtube headers and 24# injectors...Everyone keeps tellin me CFDF's are awesome....how come you dont care for them?Bad experience?

88workcar · 10-11-2002, 08:21 PM

Get the cfdf mine is only 4 years old, 1.5s slicks NOS, it don't care

10-10-2002, 07:19 PM	#1
90lxracer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: houston, Texas Posts: 65	Opinions on engine set-up I need some opinions. I have a stock 1990 lx hatch 5.0. I am starting to put a lot of money into it and wanted to know what your opinions are on the things im going to get: -Holley System Max Kit (system max II heads, 276/280 roller cam, Intake manifold, Roller timing chain, Push rods, Arp cylinder head bolts) -Ford Racing 30 lb/hr injectors w/ 70mm mass air meter -Holley 70/75? mm throttle body w/egr spacers -Ford racing Roller rockers (1.6:1) -Richmond 3.73 rear end -Tremec transmission 5spd. ( which one?) -Centerforce dual friction clutch -Longtube headers (what brand/size is best) -Off-road x-pipe(best brand/size?) I appreciate all of your input in advance. __________________ 1990 lx 5.0L 5 spd. BBk Lt's/BBK o/r x-pipe/2 chamber flows/holley systemax upper intake/holley systemax lower intake/holley systemax heads/Lunati cam/timing chain/fms 1.6 rr's/ pro-m 80mm mass air/ 24# injectors/ 190lbh./fuel pressure regulator/BBK 70mm tb/BBK 70mm egr spcr/fms 3.73 gear/Fluidyne Aluminum Radiator/Ford Racing Water pump/Underdrive pulleys 1997 Chevy Silverado Z71 4x4 6'' Pro-comp triple shock lift / 35x12.5 Pro-comp x-terrains on 15x10 welds / 4.56 gear / hypertech power programmer / Flowmaster 40 series exhaust / 2 12'' Audiobahn subs powered by houston acoustic 900 watt amp / white face gauges

10-10-2002, 08:30 PM	#2
90lxracer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: houston, Texas Posts: 65	I'm kinda new to this so any advice would help a lot. __________________ 1990 lx 5.0L 5 spd. BBk Lt's/BBK o/r x-pipe/2 chamber flows/holley systemax upper intake/holley systemax lower intake/holley systemax heads/Lunati cam/timing chain/fms 1.6 rr's/ pro-m 80mm mass air/ 24# injectors/ 190lbh./fuel pressure regulator/BBK 70mm tb/BBK 70mm egr spcr/fms 3.73 gear/Fluidyne Aluminum Radiator/Ford Racing Water pump/Underdrive pulleys 1997 Chevy Silverado Z71 4x4 6'' Pro-comp triple shock lift / 35x12.5 Pro-comp x-terrains on 15x10 welds / 4.56 gear / hypertech power programmer / Flowmaster 40 series exhaust / 2 12'' Audiobahn subs powered by houston acoustic 900 watt amp / white face gauges

10-11-2002, 05:22 AM	#3
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	That is a well thought out set up. I'm not sure about the 30lbs but the rest is killer. When done, you will be one happy camper. Get the TKO. Get MAC exhast. And sence money don't seem to be in the way, go with an alum flywheel as well. Once all this is done you will need some suspension parts. Either dragg or road, too much power on stock suspension will make your package seem to fall short. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

10-11-2002, 08:39 AM	#5
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	i agree MAC exhaust is the way to go..get there long tubes and offroad hpipe and spend the extra $20 and get the coated ones.. as for the combo..id stay with the 70mm TB and go with a pro-m77 mass air meter and 24# injectors..24's should be plenty considering ive gone mid 11's on stock 19#ers... the tremec you want to be looking at is the 3550 and grab a pro-5oh shifter when you pick it up.. IMO i didnt really care for the CFDF2 clutch..once again the king cobra is goodnuff for 1.5 60ft on slicks going 11's just me but i stick with motorsport gears..for the price you cant beet it and ive never heards of a set going bad and some richmends whine eeven when setup right if you wanna go even fatser than loose the holly cam for a anderson motorsport..talk to rick91gt for info on Holly..hes the man for that hope this helps __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

10-11-2002, 08:55 AM	#6
bigred90gt 2 Stangs in the Stable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 1,209	I'm unsure about the MAC longtubes, but the equal length shorties are a pain to install. BBK makes good headers that are easy to install and look great. Which ever way you go, definately get the ceramic coated. I would go with the Bassani X pipe, but that's just me. That's what I use and I love it. I can't tell you the gain of the X pipe alone, because I put it and a bunch of things on at the same time, but I'm sure it is a noticable difference and it sounds great, IMO. Caymon __________________ '90 GT Under construction Best E.T. = Fast @ High Speeds - OK So I Lie. So What!!! 04 F-150 STX 4.2L 5 spd Rice Haters Club Member #128

10-11-2002, 06:12 AM	#4
Mustang_289 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 512	Might also want to consider Kenny Brown sub-frame connectors to sure up your frame. We have all MAC exhaust with long-tube headers. All long-tube headers are fun to put in - the MAC long-tube headers are real close to the steering linkage and sometimes rubs. You talk to MAC they recommend replacing the motor mounts with Ford OEM if the header rubs linkage. The MAC has an awesome sound with the long-tube headers. If you go with long-tubes - I would also suggest getting them Jet-Hot ceramic coated. As the MAC HTS coating starts to look bad after a year. Plus the ceramic coating keeps heat out of your engine compartment.

10-11-2002, 09:29 AM	#7
Killercanary Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 336	We have the same setup in my dad's car. With the "old" holley cam (the one with 107* lobe seperation) he ran a best of 12.6 at 107mph on ET streets. He had the holley kit, 30lb injectors, 70mm T-body, 76mm C&L MAF, FMS shorty ceramic headers, offroad bassani X, borla mufflers w/ turn downs., and 1.6 rockers. We had some issues with the old kit, and it was replaced by holley, the new kit comes with a different cam (it has 112* lobe sep.). We then sent he kit to Ed C. from Flow Tech Induction and had the heads and intake ported, a new shortblock assembled with lightweight 10:1 pistons and then balanced and had a girdle added, FTI custom cam, TKO tranny, 4.30 gears, 31 spline axles, and 8 point S&W cage. We're shooting for the 11's, but we are still working the bugs out. So far it has pumped out 323RWHP, but its no where near its potential yet. We think we may have the cam degree'd in wrong, so we are redoing that this coming week, and the ignition needs some work, its cutting out above 6300. The car should go mid-high 11's when we're done. __________________ -Paul Dec '04 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine Featured Car 1995 NA GT CONVERTIBLE BEST PASS TO DATE: 12.19 at 112.51 AFR's, FTI cam, edelbrock intake, EEC TUNER and all the bolt ons on the stock shortblock. http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary

10-11-2002, 05:01 PM	#8
90lxracer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: houston, Texas Posts: 65	Thanks for all your input.....i am going with Mac longtube headers and 24# injectors...Everyone keeps tellin me CFDF's are awesome....how come you dont care for them?Bad experience? __________________ 1990 lx 5.0L 5 spd. BBk Lt's/BBK o/r x-pipe/2 chamber flows/holley systemax upper intake/holley systemax lower intake/holley systemax heads/Lunati cam/timing chain/fms 1.6 rr's/ pro-m 80mm mass air/ 24# injectors/ 190lbh./fuel pressure regulator/BBK 70mm tb/BBK 70mm egr spcr/fms 3.73 gear/Fluidyne Aluminum Radiator/Ford Racing Water pump/Underdrive pulleys 1997 Chevy Silverado Z71 4x4 6'' Pro-comp triple shock lift / 35x12.5 Pro-comp x-terrains on 15x10 welds / 4.56 gear / hypertech power programmer / Flowmaster 40 series exhaust / 2 12'' Audiobahn subs powered by houston acoustic 900 watt amp / white face gauges

10-11-2002, 08:21 PM	#9
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	Get the cfdf mine is only 4 years old, 1.5s slicks NOS, it don't care __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

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