New motor, what do you think

RoushRacing6N17 · 01-12-2004, 05:45 PM

I just bought a short block from Performance Automotive Warehouse. I bought a set of AFR 185s, edelbrock rpm intake, and a 600cfm performer carb. I was wondering what kind of hp and torque you think this combo will make, i also need some help getting the right cam(this is a daily driver, but it doesn't have to be legal). Here is what i got:

Seasoned Block
Oversized Competion Honed
Forged pistons
Moly Rings
Connecting Rods/chromoly rod bolts
Custom Ground Crank 10/10
Choice of Hydraulic or solid Cam-need help with cam guys
Double Roller timing chain set
Hi Vol. Oil pump
Custom Balanced
AFR heads
RPM intake
600cfm performer carb
MSD HEI Ignition

Stang Runner · 01-12-2004, 06:19 PM

It is a 302 or 351w?

RoushRacing6N17 · 01-12-2004, 06:39 PM

T5superduty · 01-12-2004, 11:13 PM

T5superduty · 01-12-2004, 11:13 PM

should turn out like my motor or better!

RoushRacing6N17 · 01-12-2004, 11:48 PM

if my motor will turn out like yours that would be great, but i would like to get the hp peak well under 6,000 if i could

T5superduty · 01-13-2004, 04:43 AM

Than I wouldnt pick one of the Ford Cams then. Go with a custom grind

tmoss · 01-13-2004, 08:15 AM

I'd like to hear about your experience with the PAW engine. Quality, reliability, etc. They have been around forever, but I kinda looked upon them like I would a JC Whitney as a supplier. What did you give for the short block - or long block?

Stang Runner · 01-13-2004, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoushRacing6N17
if my motor will turn out like yours that would be great, but i would like to get the hp peak well under 6,000 if i could

With the 185 heads it will be rather close to about 6k on a 302. Not realy the best street heads for a 302.

Jeff Chambers · 01-13-2004, 11:58 AM

If you want a better 302 short block that the PAW (definitely JC Whitney class IMHO), give Victory Engines a call at 216-251-7157 (www.victoryengines.com). They've got one or two 302 short blocks for sale that they just finished up. This shop does all my engine work and has earned every ounce of my trust and respect. Give Ray a call and see what they've got available.

BTW: Ray's not too hip on email so call rather than email.

RoushRacing6N17 · 01-13-2004, 06:42 PM

they have jc whitney class products, but they also have qaulity brand name performance stuff too. I payed $1200 (not including taxes, can't quite remember with taxes) for my 302 short block and that is with forged pistons. Its 1100 with hypers.

tmoss · 01-13-2004, 08:55 PM

Did the short block stand up to rpms and any beating? For how long?

RoushRacing6N17 · 01-13-2004, 09:42 PM

don't know yet tmoss, its still sitting on the stand. Im waiting for a few more paychecks so that i can get a upgraded tranny. Still don't know whether or not that cheap superduty t5 from ford racing will be enough, or whether I should go with a tremec for a couple hundred dollars more.

T5superduty · 01-13-2004, 10:08 PM

TREMEC!

jonnyk · 01-14-2004, 11:26 AM

For a Tremec you might consider X2C Motorsports' version. They rebuild the new trannies and blueprint them...they hold a lot of power! And the price is right too. www.x2cmotorsports.com
As for the engine, that is a lot of cylinder head for only a 302/306. Too much IMO for a sub-6000 engine, but it can be worked with. Look into a Comp Cam hydraulic roller (assuming this is a roller blocK). They have the better of the off-the-shelf designs and those heads will make use of the extra lift.

T5superduty · 01-14-2004, 05:14 PM

how much are those comp camshafts anyway ? Same price 180-250 ? How much for say a 550-600" lift ?

01-12-2004, 05:45 PM	#1
RoushRacing6N17 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 51	New motor, what do you think I just bought a short block from Performance Automotive Warehouse. I bought a set of AFR 185s, edelbrock rpm intake, and a 600cfm performer carb. I was wondering what kind of hp and torque you think this combo will make, i also need some help getting the right cam(this is a daily driver, but it doesn't have to be legal). Here is what i got: Seasoned Block Oversized Competion Honed Forged pistons Moly Rings Connecting Rods/chromoly rod bolts Custom Ground Crank 10/10 Choice of Hydraulic or solid Cam-need help with cam guys Double Roller timing chain set Hi Vol. Oil pump Custom Balanced AFR heads RPM intake 600cfm performer carb MSD HEI Ignition __________________ "Nice chevy you have there, kind of slow isn't it?"

01-12-2004, 06:19 PM	#2
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	It is a 302 or 351w? __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

01-12-2004, 06:39 PM	#3
RoushRacing6N17 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 51	302 __________________ "Nice chevy you have there, kind of slow isn't it?"

01-12-2004, 11:13 PM	#4
T5superduty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 114	. __________________ Gt40 X heads,B-303 Cam, Cobra 1.7 Roller Rockers, Edelbrock Victor water pump, 3 Core Radiator, Edelbrock RPM "Air Gap"intake, Road Demon 625 cfm carb, Hooker Super competition Headers, offroad H pipe, T5

01-12-2004, 11:13 PM	#5
T5superduty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 114	should turn out like my motor or better! __________________ Gt40 X heads,B-303 Cam, Cobra 1.7 Roller Rockers, Edelbrock Victor water pump, 3 Core Radiator, Edelbrock RPM "Air Gap"intake, Road Demon 625 cfm carb, Hooker Super competition Headers, offroad H pipe, T5

01-12-2004, 11:48 PM	#6
RoushRacing6N17 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 51	if my motor will turn out like yours that would be great, but i would like to get the hp peak well under 6,000 if i could __________________ "Nice chevy you have there, kind of slow isn't it?"

01-13-2004, 04:43 AM	#7
T5superduty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 114	Than I wouldnt pick one of the Ford Cams then. Go with a custom grind __________________ Gt40 X heads,B-303 Cam, Cobra 1.7 Roller Rockers, Edelbrock Victor water pump, 3 Core Radiator, Edelbrock RPM "Air Gap"intake, Road Demon 625 cfm carb, Hooker Super competition Headers, offroad H pipe, T5

01-13-2004, 08:15 AM	#8
tmoss Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 634	I'd like to hear about your experience with the PAW engine. Quality, reliability, etc. They have been around forever, but I kinda looked upon them like I would a JC Whitney as a supplier. What did you give for the short block - or long block? __________________ Tom (Torque) Moss 88Gt 5spd Vert, FLowmaster Catbacks, stock cam advanced 4° @ 108.5° ICL, NMRA prepped GT40P heads 1.85/1.55 valves and 1.7 rockers, MAC P headers Jet-Hot coated, 97 Exlporer intake (ported lower), TB and injectors. 277RWHP/330RWTQ (SAE). http://www.fastlanecars.com/

01-13-2004, 11:58 AM	#10
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	If you want a better 302 short block that the PAW (definitely JC Whitney class IMHO), give Victory Engines a call at 216-251-7157 (www.victoryengines.com). They've got one or two 302 short blocks for sale that they just finished up. This shop does all my engine work and has earned every ounce of my trust and respect. Give Ray a call and see what they've got available. BTW: Ray's not too hip on email so call rather than email. __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

01-13-2004, 06:42 PM	#11
RoushRacing6N17 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 51	they have jc whitney class products, but they also have qaulity brand name performance stuff too. I payed $1200 (not including taxes, can't quite remember with taxes) for my 302 short block and that is with forged pistons. Its 1100 with hypers. __________________ "Nice chevy you have there, kind of slow isn't it?"

01-13-2004, 08:55 PM	#12
tmoss Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 634	Did the short block stand up to rpms and any beating? For how long? __________________ Tom (Torque) Moss 88Gt 5spd Vert, FLowmaster Catbacks, stock cam advanced 4° @ 108.5° ICL, NMRA prepped GT40P heads 1.85/1.55 valves and 1.7 rockers, MAC P headers Jet-Hot coated, 97 Exlporer intake (ported lower), TB and injectors. 277RWHP/330RWTQ (SAE). http://www.fastlanecars.com/

01-13-2004, 09:42 PM	#13
RoushRacing6N17 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 51	don't know yet tmoss, its still sitting on the stand. Im waiting for a few more paychecks so that i can get a upgraded tranny. Still don't know whether or not that cheap superduty t5 from ford racing will be enough, or whether I should go with a tremec for a couple hundred dollars more. __________________ "Nice chevy you have there, kind of slow isn't it?"

01-13-2004, 10:08 PM	#14
T5superduty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 114	TREMEC! __________________ Gt40 X heads,B-303 Cam, Cobra 1.7 Roller Rockers, Edelbrock Victor water pump, 3 Core Radiator, Edelbrock RPM "Air Gap"intake, Road Demon 625 cfm carb, Hooker Super competition Headers, offroad H pipe, T5

01-14-2004, 11:26 AM	#15
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	For a Tremec you might consider X2C Motorsports' version. They rebuild the new trannies and blueprint them...they hold a lot of power! And the price is right too. www.x2cmotorsports.com As for the engine, that is a lot of cylinder head for only a 302/306. Too much IMO for a sub-6000 engine, but it can be worked with. Look into a Comp Cam hydraulic roller (assuming this is a roller blocK). They have the better of the off-the-shelf designs and those heads will make use of the extra lift. __________________ Novi 2000 now spinning off the snout of the 331... Mods Pics

01-14-2004, 05:14 PM	#16
T5superduty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 114	how much are those comp camshafts anyway ? Same price 180-250 ? How much for say a 550-600" lift ? __________________ Gt40 X heads,B-303 Cam, Cobra 1.7 Roller Rockers, Edelbrock Victor water pump, 3 Core Radiator, Edelbrock RPM "Air Gap"intake, Road Demon 625 cfm carb, Hooker Super competition Headers, offroad H pipe, T5