$70 Supercharger!

pxcr_600 · 02-04-2002, 06:41 PM

Hey guys, i came upon this website and an add for it in a mag. Read for your self about the $70 supercharger!!! Tell me what you think, if you think they are good i will buy one!, and then read about the "turbo exaust tubes" Tell me what you think.

The $70 supercharger is at:

http://www.spiralmax.com

The turbo tubes are also there, here is a direct link:

http://www.spiralmax.com/tet.htm

Mach 1 · 02-04-2002, 06:56 PM

wow, not only do I think you should buy one, I think you should send me $1000.00, and I will pray that your car goes faster. What a deal, eh!

avbcon12 · 02-04-2002, 06:58 PM

oh man, i hope this is a joke.....

adam

pxcr_600 · 02-04-2002, 07:18 PM

Hey all i wanted you to do it read the artical. Not post all that bullshit about praying and stuff. NOT NEEDED GUYS!

BowTie Eater 5 Liter · 02-04-2002, 07:56 PM

Im calling bs on this one. There is no way that thing is a "supercharger", and i do not believe it would add any hp. Air likes to travel in the straightest path, and this would only cause interference when it "spirals" the air.

RED92LX50 · 02-04-2002, 09:34 PM

Straight from their website:

Typical range of improvement over baseline is:
0 to 35 increase in horsepower,
0 to 31.85% increase in fuel economy.

My bet would be that your results would be at or near the ZERO end of these ranges!

If you want, I can sell you a used leaf blower you can strap on your intake - only $10 plus S/H (and I too guarantee results over baseline of 0 to 35%) :-)

84LX89GT · 02-05-2002, 02:02 AM

wow....that really is a way to "supercharge" your car as they say.....that's total BS. I actually saw a dyno sheet in a truck mag where they installed one of those and torque went up by like 1 ft/lb and they lost like .5 mpg.
Waste of money in my opinion....better spent ANYWHERE else.

tough90pony · 02-05-2002, 04:30 AM

There is the same thing on an info-nercial I saw and they call
theirs the Tornado Fuel Saver. They put it on a dyno and it increased around 10 hp.

joe4speed · 02-05-2002, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pxcr_600
Hey all i wanted you to do it read the artical. Not post all that bullshit about praying and stuff. NOT NEEDED GUYS!

LOL

tireburner163 · 02-05-2002, 08:33 AM

No way in hell is any of this stuff gonna work.

A intake spiral is gonna get riped apart buy the intake runner. There's no way it would keep it's shape. Even if it did it still prob. wouldn't help.

7000rpmisheaven · 02-05-2002, 09:16 AM

The main idea behind supercharging is forced induction. I don't understand what it is that costs 70.00 bucks either. pxcr-600 you would be much better off buying RED92LX50's leaf blower. He is selling it much cheaper.

That would be a funny sight. You pull up to the line to race, get out open the hood, and pull the cord to start your leaf blower supercharger.

stanger8172 · 02-05-2002, 09:18 AM

Don't believe the hype!
Buy a $70 fart can and get more horsepower! j/k

LX XLR8R · 02-05-2002, 10:01 AM

"1996 Mustang GT V8 4.6L EFI- Installation was easy...I find that I enjoy entertaining myself with the quick and slick throttle response, particularly in traffic. On the freeways, I run about 5 mph faster with the SpiralMax (tm) than "normal" with the same rpm. And in 5th gear at 2500 rpm, the car has plenty of reserve for acceleration."

you know how much yellow spray paint and stickers you can buy for $70...common now..i thoguht you knew better

jimberg · 02-05-2002, 10:32 AM

This product is the same thing as the Tornado as already mentioned. The advertisement for which you provided the link doesn't provide much information so I can only comment on what I know about the Tornado's claims.

They claim the Tornado uses the same technology as turbo-fan engines on airliners. This claim is similar to referring to the device as a supercharger since jet engines and superchargers (and more closely, turbochargers) use the same technology. Jet engines and super/turbochargers use spinning turbines to compress air. Jet engines use the exhaust to turn the turbine which is what makes them more like turbochargers. The tornado or the device in question do not spin. They only passively cause the air to rotate. The restrict airflow more than the improve it.

In the Tornado infommercial they demonstrate how flow is improved by using two liter bottles taped together in the shape of an hour glass. Instead of sand they contain water. When they just turn it over, the water just goes "glub, glub, glub" like we're all familiar with when we try to pour oil too quickly. Then they swirl the water to create a vortex and, wow, the water just pours right on over. This demonstration is specious since they are comparing water, which cannot be compressed, to air, which can be. The reason water doesn't pour easily without the vortex is that the air from the side where the water is being removed is at a lower pressure than the air in the side where the water is being moved. The glubs are where air makes it from the higher pressure side to the lower pressure side. When the vortex is created, a little air hole is generated in the middle of the vortex that allows both sides to maintain equilibrium.

Then, finally, they have another demonstration where they show a box with a vacuum on one side and a hole on the other. This pulls the air through the box. A little spinner is placed inside the box that just kind of moves erratically back and forth. The fins are straight. The "inventor" then places the device on the intake hole and, wow, the spinner starts to spin really fast. Once again, this demonstration is specious. They try to leave you with the impression that the air is moving faster since the spinner is spinning faster. The reality is that the spinner only measures if the air is spinning. It doesn't measure the velocity of the air.

Since they use deceptive gimmicks to sell the product, it's a pretty good bet that the product is a fraud. They make their money on shipping and handling charges that don't get refunded or the poor saps that either think they work or are too embarrassed to try to get their money back.

$70 would be better spent on underdrive pulleys or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. If you have both of those, you are more than welcome to send me the $70 (plus a $10 materials fee) and I will cast a voodoo spell on your car to make it faster. I'm sure that I can guarantee the same results. If not, I'll return the $70 but the $10 is non-refundable.

silver_pilate · 02-05-2002, 11:35 AM

This statement caugth my attention as to the actual gains seen in performance:

Quote:

(Actual performance may vary, depending on type of car, driver, and actual driving conditions.)

Haha...I guess the performance increase caused by this gimmic depends on the driver!?! Maybe if he holds his tongue just right and presses the pedal with his big toe only, you'll get a few more hp out of it.

Acutally, I think alot does depend on the driver for this product. If your a 17 year-old driving a phat Honda Civic with fart can and tricked out rims with the fire extinguisher on the A-pillar, you can probably see 35...heck, maybe even 50 hp from this product.

Yeah...I'll spend that cash on something else, thankyou very much.

--nathan

95mustanggt · 02-05-2002, 03:23 PM

Perfect description jimberg!

Believe it or not in some cases "fins" used to direct air will actually increase airflow. However in these cases the "fins" are used to keep the airflow laminer and prevent turbulant flow. This little fixed propeller thing does nothing but drain you of $70.

chatcher · 02-06-2002, 06:51 PM

i heard that if you install one of those things you will see increases in hp as long as you keep your halogen fluid topped off

lol

94GTConv · 02-09-2002, 06:50 PM

Guys I live about 30 min from this "supercharger" place. Think it'd be worth the time to check it out?

chatcher · 02-09-2002, 07:29 PM

02-04-2002, 06:41 PM	#1
pxcr_600 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Elk River, MN Posts: 44	$70 Supercharger! Hey guys, i came upon this website and an add for it in a mag. Read for your self about the $70 supercharger!!! Tell me what you think, if you think they are good i will buy one!, and then read about the "turbo exaust tubes" Tell me what you think. The $70 supercharger is at: http://www.spiralmax.com The turbo tubes are also there, here is a direct link: http://www.spiralmax.com/tet.htm __________________ Balls to the Walls

02-04-2002, 06:56 PM	#2
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	wow, not only do I think you should buy one, I think you should send me $1000.00, and I will pray that your car goes faster. What a deal, eh! __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

02-04-2002, 06:58 PM	#3
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	oh man, i hope this is a joke..... adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

02-04-2002, 07:18 PM	#4
pxcr_600 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Elk River, MN Posts: 44	all i wanted Hey all i wanted you to do it read the artical. Not post all that bullshit about praying and stuff. NOT NEEDED GUYS! __________________ Balls to the Walls

02-04-2002, 07:56 PM	#5
BowTie Eater 5 Liter Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Canada, The Best Place In The World Posts: 871	Im calling bs on this one. There is no way that thing is a "supercharger", and i do not believe it would add any hp. Air likes to travel in the straightest path, and this would only cause interference when it "spirals" the air. __________________ 1984 Bronco II, 36" Michelin Military Tires, 95 EFI 5.0, NP435 Tranny, NP208 Doubler, NP205 Transfer Case, Fill Size Solid Dana 44 Front End, WH Progressive Rate Rock Crawling Coils, Bronco 8.8 Rear, Skyjacker Softride Leafs, 5.13 Gears, Detroit Locker. Final Crawl Ratio Of 175:1 88 GT Best 60ft. 2.181 Best ET 14.350 Best MPH 98.01 ~WRECKED!!!!~

02-04-2002, 09:34 PM	#6
RED92LX50 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 220	Straight from their website: Typical range of improvement over baseline is: 0 to 35 increase in horsepower, 0 to 31.85% increase in fuel economy. My bet would be that your results would be at or near the ZERO end of these ranges! If you want, I can sell you a used leaf blower you can strap on your intake - only $10 plus S/H (and I too guarantee results over baseline of 0 to 35%) :-) __________________ 1992 LX 5.0 Convertible Red/Blk Gears, Exhaust, bolt-ons... R.H.C. #51

02-05-2002, 02:02 AM	#7
84LX89GT Mustangs Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,938	wow....that really is a way to "supercharge" your car as they say.....that's total BS. I actually saw a dyno sheet in a truck mag where they installed one of those and torque went up by like 1 ft/lb and they lost like .5 mpg. Waste of money in my opinion....better spent ANYWHERE else. __________________ 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300-R 1980 Ford Thunderbird - 255 V8 ported heads, 5.0L ported stock headers, O.R. H-pipe and Flowmaster 2-chambers, dual roller timing chain hi-po Mack Truck hood emblem 1985 Mustang GT 5.0L T5, F-303, GT40p, headers, off-road h, flowmasters, MSD stuff, etc. Sold 02/06/04 1989 Mustang GT ET: 13.304@102.29 mph (5-24-03) Sold - 1998 Mustang Cobra coupe, 1/4 mile - street tires: 13.843@103.41 (bone stock)

02-05-2002, 04:30 AM	#8
tough90pony Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 5	There is the same thing on an info-nercial I saw and they call theirs the Tornado Fuel Saver. They put it on a dyno and it increased around 10 hp. __________________ 99 Cobra- 4:30 gears,FRPP springs,Steeda tri-ax, NX wet kit.

02-05-2002, 08:33 AM	#10
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	No way in hell is any of this stuff gonna work. A intake spiral is gonna get riped apart buy the intake runner. There's no way it would keep it's shape. Even if it did it still prob. wouldn't help. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

02-05-2002, 09:16 AM	#11
7000rpmisheaven Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: germantown MD Posts: 283	The main idea behind supercharging is forced induction. I don't understand what it is that costs 70.00 bucks either. pxcr-600 you would be much better off buying RED92LX50's leaf blower. He is selling it much cheaper. That would be a funny sight. You pull up to the line to race, get out open the hood, and pull the cord to start your leaf blower supercharger. __________________ 85 GT 4bbl roller cam 2 ch. Flowmasters, O/R H-pipe Performer intake and carb milodon water pump, FMS 9mm wires, aluminum driveshaft, king cobra clutch

02-05-2002, 09:18 AM	#12
stanger8172 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Milwaukee,Wisconsin Posts: 380	Don't believe the hype! Buy a $70 fart can and get more horsepower! j/k __________________ '91 LX convertible , T-5, Centerforce Dual Friction, MSD Blaster Coil, FR 9MM wires, 13* timing, 1.6rr, ported/polished/milled stock heads, 1.94/1.60 stainless valves, March Performance Pulleys, K&N panel, 1"spacer, BBK shorties, 2 1/2" off road H, Summit 2 1/2" catback

02-05-2002, 10:01 AM	#13
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	"1996 Mustang GT V8 4.6L EFI- Installation was easy...I find that I enjoy entertaining myself with the quick and slick throttle response, particularly in traffic. On the freeways, I run about 5 mph faster with the SpiralMax (tm) than "normal" with the same rpm. And in 5th gear at 2500 rpm, the car has plenty of reserve for acceleration." you know how much yellow spray paint and stickers you can buy for $70...common now..i thoguht you knew better __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once Last edited by LX XLR8R; 02-05-2002 at 10:36 AM..

02-05-2002, 10:32 AM	#14
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	This product is the same thing as the Tornado as already mentioned. The advertisement for which you provided the link doesn't provide much information so I can only comment on what I know about the Tornado's claims. They claim the Tornado uses the same technology as turbo-fan engines on airliners. This claim is similar to referring to the device as a supercharger since jet engines and superchargers (and more closely, turbochargers) use the same technology. Jet engines and super/turbochargers use spinning turbines to compress air. Jet engines use the exhaust to turn the turbine which is what makes them more like turbochargers. The tornado or the device in question do not spin. They only passively cause the air to rotate. The restrict airflow more than the improve it. In the Tornado infommercial they demonstrate how flow is improved by using two liter bottles taped together in the shape of an hour glass. Instead of sand they contain water. When they just turn it over, the water just goes "glub, glub, glub" like we're all familiar with when we try to pour oil too quickly. Then they swirl the water to create a vortex and, wow, the water just pours right on over. This demonstration is specious since they are comparing water, which cannot be compressed, to air, which can be. The reason water doesn't pour easily without the vortex is that the air from the side where the water is being removed is at a lower pressure than the air in the side where the water is being moved. The glubs are where air makes it from the higher pressure side to the lower pressure side. When the vortex is created, a little air hole is generated in the middle of the vortex that allows both sides to maintain equilibrium. Then, finally, they have another demonstration where they show a box with a vacuum on one side and a hole on the other. This pulls the air through the box. A little spinner is placed inside the box that just kind of moves erratically back and forth. The fins are straight. The "inventor" then places the device on the intake hole and, wow, the spinner starts to spin really fast. Once again, this demonstration is specious. They try to leave you with the impression that the air is moving faster since the spinner is spinning faster. The reality is that the spinner only measures if the air is spinning. It doesn't measure the velocity of the air. Since they use deceptive gimmicks to sell the product, it's a pretty good bet that the product is a fraud. They make their money on shipping and handling charges that don't get refunded or the poor saps that either think they work or are too embarrassed to try to get their money back. $70 would be better spent on underdrive pulleys or an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. If you have both of those, you are more than welcome to send me the $70 (plus a $10 materials fee) and I will cast a voodoo spell on your car to make it faster. I'm sure that I can guarantee the same results. If not, I'll return the $70 but the $10 is non-refundable. __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

02-05-2002, 03:23 PM	#16
95mustanggt Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,875	Perfect description jimberg! Believe it or not in some cases "fins" used to direct air will actually increase airflow. However in these cases the "fins" are used to keep the airflow laminer and prevent turbulant flow. This little fixed propeller thing does nothing but drain you of $70. __________________ 1995 Mustang GT 20016 F150 Lariat Super Crew

02-06-2002, 06:51 PM	#17
chatcher Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: butler pa Posts: 303	i heard that if you install one of those things you will see increases in hp as long as you keep your halogen fluid topped off lol __________________ 92lx wannabe saleen

02-09-2002, 06:50 PM	#18
94GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So California Posts: 65	$70 supercharger worth checking out? Guys I live about 30 min from this "supercharger" place. Think it'd be worth the time to check it out? Last edited by 94GTConv; 02-09-2002 at 06:55 PM..

02-09-2002, 07:29 PM	#19
chatcher Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: butler pa Posts: 303	no __________________ 92lx wannabe saleen

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