Dynoed my car today.

exgmguy · 10-27-2001, 02:13 PM

I tested my car today on a Dynojet at White Racing in Warren, Michigan. The only tuning I tried was to run my base timing @ 35 degrees without a spout, compared to the normal 16 or so degrees of computer controlled advance.

The results?

309.6 RWHP and 310.7 FT-LBS.

Peak power came in at a whopping 5700 rpm, while peak torque hit 310 lbs @ around 3500 rpm and stayed nice and flat until 5000 rpm where it started to taper off.

This new Holley intake is awesome! My old GT-40 with the ported lower peaked at 5000 rpm, then fell of quickly after that. The Holley keeps pulling hard after that, and makes more torque for a longer period of time.

I'm sure that there is another 10-20 hp in tuning and a custom chip, but that wil have to wait until next season.

I also did not test with nitrous. When swapping intakes I lost my nitrous #67 jet, and did not want to buy the new jet, plus 40 bucks for a nitrous fill, just to make a couple dyno pulls. Usually the 150 dry shot gives you 130 rwhp and 130-150 lbs of torque, so 440 rwhp and 450 ft-lb's should be about where I am at.

Correcting for a 15 percent drivetrain loss that is 356 horsepower and 357.3 ft-lbs of torque. Not too bad for an engine that I put together in my basement!!!!

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1988 Mustang GT
11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01)
11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01)
1992 BadAzz Wrangler
1993 Explorer

See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

dinomite · 10-27-2001, 03:58 PM

Thats really good! Congratulations!

Rev · 10-27-2001, 04:48 PM

No wonder you run 11's, hee,hee. Keep toasting those F-bodies.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

87vert351 · 10-27-2001, 05:35 PM

You wanted to see that 300+rwhp mark so you tossed it on a dyno jet.

lol I plan to dyno mine on a dyno jet once I do mine. Congrats that is sure a stout 302.

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351w, tremec trans Best N/A Pass 11.44@120 Best Nitrous Pass 10.62@132

exgmguy · 10-27-2001, 06:06 PM

HA! Yeah, A Mustang Dyno probably would have shown 290 @ the wheels. Most of the 300+- LS1's on a Dynojet show 280-290 on Speedworks Mustang Dyno.

White Racing charges 100.00 for 2 "power pulls" only. Or it's 175.00 an hour. That is a bit pricey from what i've seen out there.

Rev · 10-27-2001, 06:11 PM

I thought the Mustang Dyno was supposed to be optimistic "a la Skyman". I guess the debate goes on, hee,hee.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

Unit 5302 · 10-27-2001, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rev:
I thought the Mustang Dyno was supposed to be optimistic "a la Skyman". I guess the debate goes on, hee,hee.

Rev

The Mustang Dyno is technically supposed to be pessimistic. In the hands of a dork, it will read however he wants it to.

Rev · 10-27-2001, 08:10 PM

Yup, that's what I've heard from my DynoJet guys. The Mustang is programable for correction while the Dynojet software does the correction factor automatically from the software and a thermometer.

BTW, I don't believe that the DynoJet correction factor is really that good. It gave me a +1% from actual when the temp was 106 F. Thats correction to SAE which is supposed to be 77 F. Atmospheric pressure and humidity are completely ignored in the DynoJet correction.

Both dynos probably both have shortcomings.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

Skyman · 10-27-2001, 09:37 PM

Nice numbers. What a difference an intake makes!

I think the guy just screwed with me on my dyno pulls. I got fucked. I will get it back to a dynojet sometime for real numbers.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

TJR · 10-27-2001, 11:56 PM

Nice Numbers! Between running the spout vs total timing, which made more power?

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1989 lx notch
89,000 miles
5-speed, bolt-ons, 3.73, TFS TWs, TFS Track Heat, TFS Stage 1 cam

exgmguy · 10-28-2001, 09:05 AM

Sky, You said Fucked. You did not get *****'d!!!

About the spout removed total timing trick, I set it at 35 degrees of advance rather than the 16-17 that I had and saw no difference in peak hp, but there were a couple more ft-lb's across the midrange.

And yeah, the Mustang Dyne is supposed to read a lower number. Dynos like the Superflow and the Mustang Dyno were designed to do a wide range of vehicle testing, not just please us gearheads!

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1988 Mustang GT
11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01)
11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01)
1992 BadAzz Wrangler
1993 Explorer

See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

Dark Knight · 10-28-2001, 10:51 AM

it's best to do runs on the same dyno too, I ran mine before putting headers on, got 255rwhp/293rwtq.. put headers on it and ran it on a different dyno and got 243/275.. but I picked up over 2MPH in the 1/4... both were dynojets too... go figure...

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84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer
3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties
stock cam, 1.7's
13.85@102.5
and a '68 stang that WAS nasty ;-)

haulin'balz · 10-30-2001, 05:32 PM

Damn good #'s exgmguy. I can't wait to get juiced - 100? 125? 150? 175? ......who the hell knows

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'90 5.0 LX - heads, intake, cam, fuel delivery, gears, full exhaust, pulleys, ignition, drag springs, front brake upgrade, a/c delete, K&N cone filter charger.......and much more!
1/4 mile: 12.29 @115
60': 1.78

Unit 5302 · 10-30-2001, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by exgmguy:
Dynos like the Superflow and the Mustang Dyno were designed to do a wide range of vehicle testing, not just please us gearheads!

It's not like the Dynojet's are much different. If the owner favors it, he can buy the tuning equipment and the load bearing attachment for the Dynojet as well.

Rev · 10-30-2001, 07:08 PM

Umm, I hate to state the obvious, but SuperFlows are engine dynos while DynoJets and Mustangs are chassis dynos.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

Red514LX · 10-30-2001, 07:21 PM

Getting anything over 300RWHP out of a n/a 306 is very good IMO. I think those numbers are right in line with what mph your car runs considering the weight of that car as well.

Nitrous is a torque monster. I wouldn't be surprised to see your car put out 480-500+ RW ft-lbs of torque on the sauce.

Nice numbers!

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Jeff Kane
1990 LX Mustang Coupe

exgmguy · 10-31-2001, 04:49 PM

Thanks,

I saw on Speedvision this past weekend a Ford Falcon with a Crate 351 that they put on a Superflow Chassis dyno. That's what they said anyway.

They even said that numbers on a Dynojet would be a tad higher because their dyno adds more resistance to the rollers to simulate wind resistance and frontal area of the car. How it would accurately figure all that out, I have know idea. I am just a dumb plumber.

------------------
1988 Mustang GT
11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01)
11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01)
1992 BadAzz Wrangler
1993 Explorer

See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

10-27-2001, 02:13 PM	#1
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Dynoed my car today. I tested my car today on a Dynojet at White Racing in Warren, Michigan. The only tuning I tried was to run my base timing @ 35 degrees without a spout, compared to the normal 16 or so degrees of computer controlled advance. The results? 309.6 RWHP and 310.7 FT-LBS. Peak power came in at a whopping 5700 rpm, while peak torque hit 310 lbs @ around 3500 rpm and stayed nice and flat until 5000 rpm where it started to taper off. This new Holley intake is awesome! My old GT-40 with the ported lower peaked at 5000 rpm, then fell of quickly after that. The Holley keeps pulling hard after that, and makes more torque for a longer period of time. I'm sure that there is another 10-20 hp in tuning and a custom chip, but that wil have to wait until next season. I also did not test with nitrous. When swapping intakes I lost my nitrous #67 jet, and did not want to buy the new jet, plus 40 bucks for a nitrous fill, just to make a couple dyno pulls. Usually the 150 dry shot gives you 130 rwhp and 130-150 lbs of torque, so 440 rwhp and 450 ft-lb's should be about where I am at. Correcting for a 15 percent drivetrain loss that is 356 horsepower and 357.3 ft-lbs of torque. Not too bad for an engine that I put together in my basement!!!! ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

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dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	Thats really good! Congratulations!

10-27-2001, 04:48 PM	#3
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	No wonder you run 11's, hee,hee. Keep toasting those F-bodies. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

10-27-2001, 05:35 PM	#4
87vert351 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 43	You wanted to see that 300+rwhp mark so you tossed it on a dyno jet. lol I plan to dyno mine on a dyno jet once I do mine. Congrats that is sure a stout 302. ------------------ 351w, tremec trans Best N/A Pass 11.44@120 Best Nitrous Pass 10.62@132

10-27-2001, 06:06 PM	#5
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	HA! Yeah, A Mustang Dyno probably would have shown 290 @ the wheels. Most of the 300+- LS1's on a Dynojet show 280-290 on Speedworks Mustang Dyno. White Racing charges 100.00 for 2 "power pulls" only. Or it's 175.00 an hour. That is a bit pricey from what i've seen out there.

10-27-2001, 06:11 PM	#6
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	I thought the Mustang Dyno was supposed to be optimistic "a la Skyman". I guess the debate goes on, hee,hee. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

10-27-2001, 08:10 PM	#8
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Yup, that's what I've heard from my DynoJet guys. The Mustang is programable for correction while the Dynojet software does the correction factor automatically from the software and a thermometer. BTW, I don't believe that the DynoJet correction factor is really that good. It gave me a +1% from actual when the temp was 106 F. Thats correction to SAE which is supposed to be 77 F. Atmospheric pressure and humidity are completely ignored in the DynoJet correction. Both dynos probably both have shortcomings. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

10-27-2001, 09:37 PM	#9
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Nice numbers. What a difference an intake makes! I think the guy just screwed with me on my dyno pulls. I got fucked. I will get it back to a dynojet sometime for real numbers. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*

10-27-2001, 11:56 PM	#10
TJR Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bowling Green, OH Posts: 270	Nice Numbers! Between running the spout vs total timing, which made more power? ------------------ 1989 lx notch 89,000 miles 5-speed, bolt-ons, 3.73, TFS TWs, TFS Track Heat, TFS Stage 1 cam

10-28-2001, 09:05 AM	#11
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Sky, You said Fucked. You did not get *****'d!!! About the spout removed total timing trick, I set it at 35 degrees of advance rather than the 16-17 that I had and saw no difference in peak hp, but there were a couple more ft-lb's across the midrange. And yeah, the Mustang Dyne is supposed to read a lower number. Dynos like the Superflow and the Mustang Dyno were designed to do a wide range of vehicle testing, not just please us gearheads! ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

10-28-2001, 10:51 AM	#12
Dark Knight Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Az Posts: 854	it's best to do runs on the same dyno too, I ran mine before putting headers on, got 255rwhp/293rwtq.. put headers on it and ran it on a different dyno and got 243/275.. but I picked up over 2MPH in the 1/4... both were dynojets too... go figure... ------------------ 84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer 3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties stock cam, 1.7's 13.85@102.5 and a '68 stang that WAS nasty ;-)

10-30-2001, 05:32 PM	#13
haulin'balz The Notorious One Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 51	Damn good #'s exgmguy. I can't wait to get juiced - 100? 125? 150? 175? ......who the hell knows ------------------ '90 5.0 LX - heads, intake, cam, fuel delivery, gears, full exhaust, pulleys, ignition, drag springs, front brake upgrade, a/c delete, K&N cone filter charger.......and much more! 1/4 mile: 12.29 @115 60': 1.78

10-30-2001, 07:08 PM	#15
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Umm, I hate to state the obvious, but SuperFlows are engine dynos while DynoJets and Mustangs are chassis dynos. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

10-30-2001, 07:21 PM	#16
Red514LX Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 119	Getting anything over 300RWHP out of a n/a 306 is very good IMO. I think those numbers are right in line with what mph your car runs considering the weight of that car as well. Nitrous is a torque monster. I wouldn't be surprised to see your car put out 480-500+ RW ft-lbs of torque on the sauce. Nice numbers! ------------------ Jeff Kane 1990 LX Mustang Coupe

10-31-2001, 04:49 PM	#17
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Thanks, I saw on Speedvision this past weekend a Ford Falcon with a Crate 351 that they put on a Superflow Chassis dyno. That's what they said anyway. They even said that numbers on a Dynojet would be a tad higher because their dyno adds more resistance to the rollers to simulate wind resistance and frontal area of the car. How it would accurately figure all that out, I have know idea. I am just a dumb plumber. ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179