Mustang being left behind

poopstang · 04-26-2001, 07:54 PM

Does ford not care about the performance of the mustang? thats what it looks like to me!
they(ford) put more performance into their trucks(lightning) and sport compact(SVTfocus)then they have in the mustang in the past ten years!

as the new models come out the supposed to improvement, but that's not the case for the mustang!

97snakedriver · 04-26-2001, 09:46 PM

2003 will put the Mustang on REAL performance chassis with a descent suspension instead of the FOX chassis. Depending on which set of engine rumors you choose to believe, that area should improve also.

Mercury · 04-27-2001, 12:08 AM

Hmmmm Interesting. Arent the 99+ GT's the fastest showroom car fords put out since the demise of the 428 big block!!!???

As for the cars handling, it handles better than any of the other Pony car competitors that GM puts out. Pulls better skid pads ratings and salom ratings than both, and I know from experience that it handles the curves pretty well.

And theres nothing wrong with its straightline performance either. Sure faster, and more powerfull is always better, but you gotta start somewhere.

As for the competitors, buy a new Z28, for around 24-25 around here, I'll buy a new Mustang GT for around 19,000 here, buy the time I spent that extra 5-6 grand on my stang, I'll be showing the bigger dogs some of my taillights. (Z28 SS, Cobra, TRANS AM WS6).

I live by the saying, Fast Cars aren't bought, There Built.

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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle

64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

[This message has been edited by Mercury (edited 04-27-2001).]

red82gt · 04-27-2001, 02:34 AM

I agree that Ford is leaving too much on the table, there have been problems with the T45 tranny yet they won't step up to a T56 saying that the 4.6 doesn't have enough torque to pull a 6th gear but they're putting a 6 speed in the SVT Focus? WTF? Besides they could just use a 373 or 410 rear gear and it'd be at the same RPM's not to mention acceleration would improve from the stock badly undergeared Cobra, that crosses the line before the peak of third gear.

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GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

95mustanggt · 04-27-2001, 08:23 AM

I agree with both sides.

First, the new mustangs are nice performers. They are not the fastest car on the road, but they are decent performance you can afford.

However, I think they are trying to cash in on the "small car performance" crazy that some people are all excited about. It would be nice to see some more development in to a faster stang. It would be too cool to raise the Mach 1 from the dead.

Oh well, we are at there mercy. All I know is that I'm never selling my 95GT, Then I always know that I'll have V8 performance!

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Driving: 1998 F-150
Far way in Edmonton==>

1995 Mustang GT

69fastback · 04-27-2001, 09:37 AM

See this is where u guys are missing the point. Yes the Mustang gt has less power than a z28 crapmero and has less power than a firebird. But ford cares about only one thing and that is this; The Musgtang outsold the camero and firebird put together more than 3 to 1. That is the only thing that matters to the bean counters and they are the people that run coperations these days

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

04-27-2001, 10:36 AM

It's something.

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Capri306 · 04-27-2001, 12:59 PM

I'm agreeing with 69fastback & 95mustanggt here. It's all about the marketing and profitability. The Mustang's sales have been great, plus GM is getting rid of the F-body. Another thing: power doesn't sell much, and usually costs a LOT more money to get. The thing that turns me on about Ford is the HUGE aftermarket that's developed, plus how easy it is to get more power out of them with mostly factory equipment. Some people forget that the power of the new Mustangs is what, 260HP? The 5.0L was only rated for 225! The insurance on these cars is already high enough, and not that many people can afford a V8 already (insurance & gas together).

Ford is headed in the right direction, and through their continuing R&D, they'll probably have more powerplants available in the future with even more power. Chill out, my friends. All is good...

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Capri306, Moderator, The Mustang Works Online
1979 Mercury Capri, 5.0L -- C4 -- 2.73
1987 Mustang LX Notch

04-28-2001, 05:05 PM

I think what ford is doing (just my opinion) is delay any advancements on the mustang until the new platform. It seems like they are also trying to make every vehicle a LEV no matter how big or small the vehicle (i've seen explorers with LEV stickers in them). Ford wants to put like a 3.9L V8 in the new mustang (blue oval news) as one of the options and a supercharged 3.9L to make up for the loss in displacement....this is all government BS in my opinion. That's probably another reason behind not putting in a torquey engine rather than high revving engines or at least having the option of larger engines.
Space shuttles do more damage to the ozone each pass through than cars have EVER done with NOx emissions, and not to mention factories and processing plants that send out even more crap. I think cars are like 2 or 3 on the list of most harmful to the ozone...but in reality some other very large countries could care less about auto emissions and other emissions. so basically what we're doing is basically trying to do is stop a flood by throwing rocks in one part of a river. Just my biased opinion.

Sorry...i just have strong opinions on this subject and why ford doesn't put a larger engine/supercharger in the 'stang we all love.

04-26-2001, 07:54 PM	#1
poopstang Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: palmbayFL Posts: 184	Mustang being left behind Does ford not care about the performance of the mustang? thats what it looks like to me! they(ford) put more performance into their trucks(lightning) and sport compact(SVTfocus)then they have in the mustang in the past ten years! as the new models come out the supposed to improvement, but that's not the case for the mustang!

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04-26-2001, 09:46 PM	#2
97snakedriver Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 1,526	2003 will put the Mustang on REAL performance chassis with a descent suspension instead of the FOX chassis. Depending on which set of engine rumors you choose to believe, that area should improve also.

04-27-2001, 12:08 AM	#3
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Hmmmm Interesting. Arent the 99+ GT's the fastest showroom car fords put out since the demise of the 428 big block!!!??? As for the cars handling, it handles better than any of the other Pony car competitors that GM puts out. Pulls better skid pads ratings and salom ratings than both, and I know from experience that it handles the curves pretty well. And theres nothing wrong with its straightline performance either. Sure faster, and more powerfull is always better, but you gotta start somewhere. As for the competitors, buy a new Z28, for around 24-25 around here, I'll buy a new Mustang GT for around 19,000 here, buy the time I spent that extra 5-6 grand on my stang, I'll be showing the bigger dogs some of my taillights. (Z28 SS, Cobra, TRANS AM WS6). I live by the saying, Fast Cars aren't bought, There Built. ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. [This message has been edited by Mercury (edited 04-27-2001).]

04-27-2001, 02:34 AM	#4
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	I agree that Ford is leaving too much on the table, there have been problems with the T45 tranny yet they won't step up to a T56 saying that the 4.6 doesn't have enough torque to pull a 6th gear but they're putting a 6 speed in the SVT Focus? WTF? Besides they could just use a 373 or 410 rear gear and it'd be at the same RPM's not to mention acceleration would improve from the stock badly undergeared Cobra, that crosses the line before the peak of third gear. ------------------ GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

04-27-2001, 08:23 AM	#5
95mustanggt Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,875	I agree with both sides. First, the new mustangs are nice performers. They are not the fastest car on the road, but they are decent performance you can afford. However, I think they are trying to cash in on the "small car performance" crazy that some people are all excited about. It would be nice to see some more development in to a faster stang. It would be too cool to raise the Mach 1 from the dead. Oh well, we are at there mercy. All I know is that I'm never selling my 95GT, Then I always know that I'll have V8 performance! ------------------ Driving: 1998 F-150 Far way in Edmonton==> 1995 Mustang GT

04-27-2001, 09:37 AM	#6
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	See this is where u guys are missing the point. Yes the Mustang gt has less power than a z28 crapmero and has less power than a firebird. But ford cares about only one thing and that is this; The Musgtang outsold the camero and firebird put together more than 3 to 1. That is the only thing that matters to the bean counters and they are the people that run coperations these days ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

04-27-2001, 10:36 AM	#7
1BadMoFo5.0 Guest Posts: n/a	It's something. ------------------ 90' 5.0 GT Convertible Mustang. 69' Mustang Mach 1 Fastback. Too much to list here so if you want to know ask me. AOL name: Woodnutz351

04-27-2001, 12:59 PM	#8
Capri306 Moderator Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 1,001	I'm agreeing with 69fastback & 95mustanggt here. It's all about the marketing and profitability. The Mustang's sales have been great, plus GM is getting rid of the F-body. Another thing: power doesn't sell much, and usually costs a LOT more money to get. The thing that turns me on about Ford is the HUGE aftermarket that's developed, plus how easy it is to get more power out of them with mostly factory equipment. Some people forget that the power of the new Mustangs is what, 260HP? The 5.0L was only rated for 225! The insurance on these cars is already high enough, and not that many people can afford a V8 already (insurance & gas together). Ford is headed in the right direction, and through their continuing R&D, they'll probably have more powerplants available in the future with even more power. Chill out, my friends. All is good... ------------------ Capri306, Moderator, The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri, 5.0L -- C4 -- 2.73 1987 Mustang LX Notch

04-28-2001, 05:05 PM	#9
84stangLX Guest Posts: n/a	I think what ford is doing (just my opinion) is delay any advancements on the mustang until the new platform. It seems like they are also trying to make every vehicle a LEV no matter how big or small the vehicle (i've seen explorers with LEV stickers in them). Ford wants to put like a 3.9L V8 in the new mustang (blue oval news) as one of the options and a supercharged 3.9L to make up for the loss in displacement....this is all government BS in my opinion. That's probably another reason behind not putting in a torquey engine rather than high revving engines or at least having the option of larger engines. Space shuttles do more damage to the ozone each pass through than cars have EVER done with NOx emissions, and not to mention factories and processing plants that send out even more crap. I think cars are like 2 or 3 on the list of most harmful to the ozone...but in reality some other very large countries could care less about auto emissions and other emissions. so basically what we're doing is basically trying to do is stop a flood by throwing rocks in one part of a river. Just my biased opinion. Sorry...i just have strong opinions on this subject and why ford doesn't put a larger engine/supercharger in the 'stang we all love.