D.S.S or Coast High for new engine

Chevysucks · 11-03-2002, 11:16 PM

hey guy's I will have over 3 grand soon to spend on my stroker short block. It is going to be an ATI Intercooled Supercharged 347 stroker. I want somewhere between 600 and 700 horses.

Have any of you guys delt with either of these companies to build your engines? I want to know which company would be better for achieving this amount of power and which one will last.

I am either going to go with AFR heads or Brodix heads. The intake will either be the Spider intake or the Holley Systemax. Probably 50 pound injectors( will these be to small) and a big throttle body and MAF. Aeromotive fuel system.

I am redoing the whole car.(88 lx. it's very light) I was wandering do I have to mini-tub it to have 12.5 inch wide tires underneath my rear.

thanks guy's.. let me know what you think of my project.

302 LX Eric · 11-04-2002, 09:46 AM

I've got a DSS stroker kit and it's very nice. What's interesting is that the pistons are Probe (aka Coast High Perf).

I think either company is pretty reputable.

E

WADS56 · 11-04-2002, 10:15 AM

You will need more then 3 grand for a short block that can hold 700hp. That is SVO block territory, and that will put you around $5500.00 for one of those short blocks.

Chevysucks · 11-04-2002, 11:52 AM

wads56 how much power do you got

WADS56 · 11-04-2002, 12:11 PM

I never had it on the dyno so I don't know. I'm thinking around 450 now, and when i get my new cam I'll be looking for the 500 or above mark.

Wade

Fox Body · 11-04-2002, 09:42 PM

You're gonna need more $$$ for a procharged intercooled long block motor that'll hold 6-700 horses. Probably closer to $6-$7500. And that's just on the long block and blower alone. I know you said short block, but if you are considering a DSS motor, might as well get an assembled longblock from them with the AFRs or Canfields. Just my opinion. DSS offers AFRs and Canfields on their longblocks.

I am currently dealing with DSS right now and they are very patient and have answered a lot of my questions. I've heard nothing but great news about them. Their reputation is very high. Also, a friend of mine is running a DSS 4.6 motor in his Kenne Belle blown Cobra (running 11s) and after running Literally 25 dyno pulls, compression has NOT dropped.

You may also want to check out WynneSpeed. DOnt' know about their reputation though, but they offer a Dart Block long block setup for a few hundred less then DSS.

I would think that 50 lbs injectors is right about where you'd need to be.

I can't see you getting by with 12.5" wide tires without doing something to the body.

RPM427 · 11-04-2002, 09:50 PM

I think you should be OK with a sportsman block if you don't rev it too high, or better yet a 351 sportsman block.

Does anyone have any expirence with Bennett racing?

Chevysucks · 11-04-2002, 11:17 PM

Yeah I was also wandering if anyone has herd anything good about WynneSpeed. There stuff looks pretty good. I am going to call both D.S.S. and Coast High and tell them what I am looking into doing and see if they can give me an estimate on a short block.

302 LX Eric- what c.i. stroker do you have?

WADS56- is that 450(soon to be 500) at the wheels or at the flywheel?

WADS56 · 11-05-2002, 07:57 AM

Flywheel. I wish it was at the wheels

302 LX Eric · 11-05-2002, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chevysucks
302 LX Eric- what c.i. stroker do you have?

It's a 331. 3.25" stroke w/4.030 bore. It's setup at 9.2:1 comp, so it should be just perfect for about 10 lbs. of boost and 500 HP.

I've only got to run it a couple times at the track on drag radials with my best 60' a 1.91.

I'm racing in a private tuning session with a local Grand Prix group this weekend at my home track, National Trails. Hoping for a 12.5x @ 111 mph!!! Wish me luck.

As for the inquiry about Bennett, I've heard that they build some of the baddest Ford motors around, but it'll cost you. Just looking at their ad in MM&FF, it's darn near $10,000 for a 331!

A guy I see at the track sometimes has a Bennett built motor - I think it's like a 327 or smaller that runs 8's on a single turbo. Lee Howie is the guy's name. He won the True Street class at Norwalk FFW a couple years ago and has been featured in MM&FF a while back.

E

Chevysucks · 11-05-2002, 11:09 AM

How much $ does an R302 block run?

D.S.S. says that they will build any short block with the Sportsman block for an aditional $1,000 than what it would normally be.

302 LX Eric · 11-05-2002, 12:19 PM

A bare 'R' block will run you $1,600. Add onto that some serious machining costs. It's very expensive, but also rock solid.

E

chico · 11-05-2002, 07:01 PM

If you guys are really looking for a excellent engine builder/racer, and very inexpensive...in No. Ca. we have HAMILTON CLARKE IND. Ph. No. (916) 643-2010. ask for Cole. they built my last motor which now has about 3800 miles on it. They also have a 631 rwhp 99 Cobra playing on the streets. And a 831 rwhp NA viper that road races...jplus many more cars to look at and referance..This is in Sacramento Ca.

Chevysucks · 11-05-2002, 08:43 PM

chico- do they have a website?

Chevysucks · 11-05-2002, 08:44 PM

The Sportsman 302 block is a 4 bolt main. Is it just as good as the R 302?

chico · 11-05-2002, 09:33 PM

NO!...they are not new , but not big time..that's why they can keep the costs down.. A lot of our dyno shops are using Cole @ HMC Ind. for their special head work and engine building...they are planning on web site but not quite yet....Cole also has a 1200 HP lightning motor sitting on the shop floor..they also have designed their own intake manifold ...supposed to give my Cobra another 60 rwhp $1100 ..

11-03-2002, 11:16 PM	#1
Chevysucks Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA Posts: 150	D.S.S or Coast High for new engine hey guy's I will have over 3 grand soon to spend on my stroker short block. It is going to be an ATI Intercooled Supercharged 347 stroker. I want somewhere between 600 and 700 horses. Have any of you guys delt with either of these companies to build your engines? I want to know which company would be better for achieving this amount of power and which one will last. I am either going to go with AFR heads or Brodix heads. The intake will either be the Spider intake or the Holley Systemax. Probably 50 pound injectors( will these be to small) and a big throttle body and MAF. Aeromotive fuel system. I am redoing the whole car.(88 lx. it's very light) I was wandering do I have to mini-tub it to have 12.5 inch wide tires underneath my rear. thanks guy's.. let me know what you think of my project. __________________ 88 Stang 306 ci. GT Mustang heads- ported and polished/milled---Soon to be AFR 185cc 1.7 crane roller rockers/extra hardened pushrods FRPP X-303 Cam Stock Intake-1 inch intake spacer BBK Cold Air Induction Stock Injectors--going to 24 pounders BBK Full Length Headers Mac 2.5 inch Cat-Back 8 Point Cage Sub Frame Connectors World Class T-5 Steeda Shift Cable,Quadrant,Firewall adjuster King Cobra Clutch Pro 5.0 Shifter Alunimum Driveshaft/ Drive shaft loop Kenny Brown suspension 3.55 gears

11-04-2002, 09:46 AM	#2
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	I've got a DSS stroker kit and it's very nice. What's interesting is that the pistons are Probe (aka Coast High Perf). I think either company is pretty reputable. E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

11-04-2002, 10:15 AM	#3
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	You will need more then 3 grand for a short block that can hold 700hp. That is SVO block territory, and that will put you around $5500.00 for one of those short blocks. __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

11-04-2002, 11:52 AM	#4
Chevysucks Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA Posts: 150	wads56 how much power do you got __________________ 88 Stang 306 ci. GT Mustang heads- ported and polished/milled---Soon to be AFR 185cc 1.7 crane roller rockers/extra hardened pushrods FRPP X-303 Cam Stock Intake-1 inch intake spacer BBK Cold Air Induction Stock Injectors--going to 24 pounders BBK Full Length Headers Mac 2.5 inch Cat-Back 8 Point Cage Sub Frame Connectors World Class T-5 Steeda Shift Cable,Quadrant,Firewall adjuster King Cobra Clutch Pro 5.0 Shifter Alunimum Driveshaft/ Drive shaft loop Kenny Brown suspension 3.55 gears

11-04-2002, 12:11 PM	#5
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	I never had it on the dyno so I don't know. I'm thinking around 450 now, and when i get my new cam I'll be looking for the 500 or above mark. Wade __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

11-04-2002, 09:42 PM	#6
Fox Body Mustang Maniac Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: GA, U.S.A Posts: 2,266	You're gonna need more $$$ for a procharged intercooled long block motor that'll hold 6-700 horses. Probably closer to $6-$7500. And that's just on the long block and blower alone. I know you said short block, but if you are considering a DSS motor, might as well get an assembled longblock from them with the AFRs or Canfields. Just my opinion. DSS offers AFRs and Canfields on their longblocks. I am currently dealing with DSS right now and they are very patient and have answered a lot of my questions. I've heard nothing but great news about them. Their reputation is very high. Also, a friend of mine is running a DSS 4.6 motor in his Kenne Belle blown Cobra (running 11s) and after running Literally 25 dyno pulls, compression has NOT dropped. You may also want to check out WynneSpeed. DOnt' know about their reputation though, but they offer a Dart Block long block setup for a few hundred less then DSS. I would think that 50 lbs injectors is right about where you'd need to be. I can't see you getting by with 12.5" wide tires without doing something to the body. __________________ 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang Ghia notchback '79 Video @ Idle Stock 5.8L under 4" cowl 'glass hood, C4 w/ Transgo shift kit, Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake; Fluidyne Al radiator, Flexalite 175 electric fan, 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, FRPP Al driveshaft; S&W 6-point cage; 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters, 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s; Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 275/50/15 Nitto NT 555R Drag Radials; 14 x 4” K&N X-stream air filter. '92 GT (5-speed) Small In Car Video Stock 5.0L, 2-chamber Flowmasters, MAC CAI, Tri-Ax, Al pedals... "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body

11-04-2002, 09:50 PM	#7
RPM427 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Huntington NY Posts: 573	I think you should be OK with a sportsman block if you don't rev it too high, or better yet a 351 sportsman block. Does anyone have any expirence with Bennett racing? __________________ -1993 Mustang, 900rwhp 03-04 cobra based 4v swap, full Griggs setup, project underway -1994 Ranger w/ 427cid windsor (daily beater) check it out!

11-04-2002, 11:17 PM	#8
Chevysucks Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA Posts: 150	Yeah I was also wandering if anyone has herd anything good about WynneSpeed. There stuff looks pretty good. I am going to call both D.S.S. and Coast High and tell them what I am looking into doing and see if they can give me an estimate on a short block. 302 LX Eric- what c.i. stroker do you have? WADS56- is that 450(soon to be 500) at the wheels or at the flywheel? __________________ 88 Stang 306 ci. GT Mustang heads- ported and polished/milled---Soon to be AFR 185cc 1.7 crane roller rockers/extra hardened pushrods FRPP X-303 Cam Stock Intake-1 inch intake spacer BBK Cold Air Induction Stock Injectors--going to 24 pounders BBK Full Length Headers Mac 2.5 inch Cat-Back 8 Point Cage Sub Frame Connectors World Class T-5 Steeda Shift Cable,Quadrant,Firewall adjuster King Cobra Clutch Pro 5.0 Shifter Alunimum Driveshaft/ Drive shaft loop Kenny Brown suspension 3.55 gears

11-05-2002, 07:57 AM	#9
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	Flywheel. I wish it was at the wheels __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

11-05-2002, 11:09 AM	#11
Chevysucks Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA Posts: 150	How much $ does an R302 block run? D.S.S. says that they will build any short block with the Sportsman block for an aditional $1,000 than what it would normally be. __________________ 88 Stang 306 ci. GT Mustang heads- ported and polished/milled---Soon to be AFR 185cc 1.7 crane roller rockers/extra hardened pushrods FRPP X-303 Cam Stock Intake-1 inch intake spacer BBK Cold Air Induction Stock Injectors--going to 24 pounders BBK Full Length Headers Mac 2.5 inch Cat-Back 8 Point Cage Sub Frame Connectors World Class T-5 Steeda Shift Cable,Quadrant,Firewall adjuster King Cobra Clutch Pro 5.0 Shifter Alunimum Driveshaft/ Drive shaft loop Kenny Brown suspension 3.55 gears

11-05-2002, 12:19 PM	#12
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	A bare 'R' block will run you $1,600. Add onto that some serious machining costs. It's very expensive, but also rock solid. E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

11-05-2002, 07:01 PM	#13
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	Ford Motors If you guys are really looking for a excellent engine builder/racer, and very inexpensive...in No. Ca. we have HAMILTON CLARKE IND. Ph. No. (916) 643-2010. ask for Cole. they built my last motor which now has about 3800 miles on it. They also have a 631 rwhp 99 Cobra playing on the streets. And a 831 rwhp NA viper that road races...jplus many more cars to look at and referance..This is in Sacramento Ca. __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

11-05-2002, 08:43 PM	#14
Chevysucks Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA Posts: 150	chico- do they have a website? __________________ 88 Stang 306 ci. GT Mustang heads- ported and polished/milled---Soon to be AFR 185cc 1.7 crane roller rockers/extra hardened pushrods FRPP X-303 Cam Stock Intake-1 inch intake spacer BBK Cold Air Induction Stock Injectors--going to 24 pounders BBK Full Length Headers Mac 2.5 inch Cat-Back 8 Point Cage Sub Frame Connectors World Class T-5 Steeda Shift Cable,Quadrant,Firewall adjuster King Cobra Clutch Pro 5.0 Shifter Alunimum Driveshaft/ Drive shaft loop Kenny Brown suspension 3.55 gears

11-05-2002, 08:44 PM	#15
Chevysucks Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Stroudsburg, PA, USA Posts: 150	The Sportsman 302 block is a 4 bolt main. Is it just as good as the R 302? __________________ 88 Stang 306 ci. GT Mustang heads- ported and polished/milled---Soon to be AFR 185cc 1.7 crane roller rockers/extra hardened pushrods FRPP X-303 Cam Stock Intake-1 inch intake spacer BBK Cold Air Induction Stock Injectors--going to 24 pounders BBK Full Length Headers Mac 2.5 inch Cat-Back 8 Point Cage Sub Frame Connectors World Class T-5 Steeda Shift Cable,Quadrant,Firewall adjuster King Cobra Clutch Pro 5.0 Shifter Alunimum Driveshaft/ Drive shaft loop Kenny Brown suspension 3.55 gears

11-05-2002, 09:33 PM	#16
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	New mmotors NO!...they are not new , but not big time..that's why they can keep the costs down.. A lot of our dyno shops are using Cole @ HMC Ind. for their special head work and engine building...they are planning on web site but not quite yet....Cole also has a 1200 HP lightning motor sitting on the shop floor..they also have designed their own intake manifold ...supposed to give my Cobra another 60 rwhp $1100 .. __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

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