Is it worth it?

91redgt · 10-22-2003, 09:30 PM

I just talked to my local machine shop and askced how much it would be to get my stock 302 rebuilt. He pried me at 1500 for building it stock and 1800 for putting in a B303 cam. He says with the B303 cam it would be pretty fast and would beat most of the mustangs out there. Would this be fast? Is it worth it? And, what other stuff should I have him do to this motor. For example, roller rockers, injectors, etc. I will be running stock heads and stock intake until I get a better intake like an Elderbrock. Plus my car is an AOD.
Thanks.

bigred90gt · 10-22-2003, 09:50 PM

A b-cam will do not much, if anything, except give you a lopey idle and guarantee that you will fail your next emissions test. I truly hope the $300 includes the purchase of the b-cam. Even if it does, he's stickin you. In order to rebuild it right, he has to remove the cam anyways, so why would he charge you more money to put in a different one. The b-cam's are relatively cheap, no where near the $300 extra he is charging you. The RR's will help some by reducing friction and freeing up some power, as well as increasing the valve lift. If that is what you are looking for, I would suggest a different cam. Look at the trick flow cams. The stage 1 is, in my opinion, a better grind than the b-cam, and its cheaper. The intake will make minimal power increases without a good, high flowing set of heads. If you cant afford a good set of heads, I would at the least have the stock ones ported. The stock injectors are fine for your application. You dont need to get bigger injectors till you get upwards of 300+ hp. A good cleaning (and I dont mean the cheap stuff you buy at orilley's) of the injectors might do you some good.

Ieatcamaros · 10-22-2003, 10:13 PM

Dude! He is stickin you bad. You can get a block bored, cleaned, new cam bearings and freeze plugs installed for around $150. $60 to $75 for a valve job. About $60 for a crank grinding (if necessary). A good set of Pistons $300. Rings $50. Mains and Rod bearings $60. Short block= $700. B303 $170. RR's $250 Total Price of parts= $1120 roughly. Thats a lot of labor charges.

stanger9219 · 10-22-2003, 10:25 PM

sorry to be off topic...but how much would it cost to get a 302 bored out?...and what is the largest bore that someone should do?

bigred90gt · 10-22-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by stanger9219
sorry to be off topic...but how much would it cost to get a 302 bored out?...and what is the largest bore that someone should do?

Mine is bored .040", and with the stock block, I wouldnt go more than that. The water passages are too close to the cylinder walls, and if you go too far, you create weak spots in the walls. Some people do go .060", but I think they are crazy.

Ieatcamaros · 10-22-2003, 11:05 PM

If you are going to make big power with it don't go over .040. If it is in an old pickup or something, there ain't anything wrong with .060. I have seen .060 motors with 100,000 miles on them.

Oh yeah, it costs about $10 a hole to bore one out. $80 for a 302. But then you want it cleaned $20. New cam bearings and freeze plugs $30.

stanger9219 · 10-23-2003, 12:27 AM

REALLY DUMB QUESTION but would you have to get new pistons??I dont know much about porting, boring, or stroking

bigred90gt · 10-23-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by stanger9219
REALLY DUMB QUESTION but would you have to get new pistons??I dont know much about porting, boring, or stroking

yes. You would have to get bigger pistons to accomodate for the larger bore.

mustangcobra_91 · 10-23-2003, 03:12 PM

I have to agree. The bcam is not really a good cam. I would go with a trickflow stage 1. And i noticed you said your car is an aod. Have you installed a set of gears? If you havent i would put in a set of 3:73s or 4:10s.. Id also get a good set of heads if you have the money. They make a world of difference on a 302

302 LX Eric · 10-23-2003, 03:38 PM

For $1800, you might as well drop in a couple hundred more and call up DSS for a complete stroker small block. Then drop on some nice flowing heads and intake and you'll be well on your way to a kick-butt street car.

E

Ieatcamaros · 10-23-2003, 08:22 PM

Quote:

For $1800, you might as well drop in a couple hundred more and call up DSS for a complete stroker small block. Then drop on some nice flowing heads and intake and you'll be well on your way to a kick-butt street car.

what he said.

10-22-2003, 09:30 PM	#1
91redgt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Is it worth it? I just talked to my local machine shop and askced how much it would be to get my stock 302 rebuilt. He pried me at 1500 for building it stock and 1800 for putting in a B303 cam. He says with the B303 cam it would be pretty fast and would beat most of the mustangs out there. Would this be fast? Is it worth it? And, what other stuff should I have him do to this motor. For example, roller rockers, injectors, etc. I will be running stock heads and stock intake until I get a better intake like an Elderbrock. Plus my car is an AOD. Thanks.

10-22-2003, 09:50 PM	#2
bigred90gt 2 Stangs in the Stable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 1,209	A b-cam will do not much, if anything, except give you a lopey idle and guarantee that you will fail your next emissions test. I truly hope the $300 includes the purchase of the b-cam. Even if it does, he's stickin you. In order to rebuild it right, he has to remove the cam anyways, so why would he charge you more money to put in a different one. The b-cam's are relatively cheap, no where near the $300 extra he is charging you. The RR's will help some by reducing friction and freeing up some power, as well as increasing the valve lift. If that is what you are looking for, I would suggest a different cam. Look at the trick flow cams. The stage 1 is, in my opinion, a better grind than the b-cam, and its cheaper. The intake will make minimal power increases without a good, high flowing set of heads. If you cant afford a good set of heads, I would at the least have the stock ones ported. The stock injectors are fine for your application. You dont need to get bigger injectors till you get upwards of 300+ hp. A good cleaning (and I dont mean the cheap stuff you buy at orilley's) of the injectors might do you some good. __________________ '90 GT Under construction Best E.T. = Fast @ High Speeds - OK So I Lie. So What!!! 04 F-150 STX 4.2L 5 spd Rice Haters Club Member #128

10-22-2003, 10:13 PM	#3
Ieatcamaros Domestic Rice really sucks! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: KY Posts: 973	Dude! He is stickin you bad. You can get a block bored, cleaned, new cam bearings and freeze plugs installed for around $150. $60 to $75 for a valve job. About $60 for a crank grinding (if necessary). A good set of Pistons $300. Rings $50. Mains and Rod bearings $60. Short block= $700. B303 $170. RR's $250 Total Price of parts= $1120 roughly. Thats a lot of labor charges. __________________ The sig says it all.

10-22-2003, 10:25 PM	#4
stanger9219 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: st. louis, MO Posts: 197	sorry to be off topic...but how much would it cost to get a 302 bored out?...and what is the largest bore that someone should do? __________________ 98 Cobra, CAI, Flowmasters, o/r h-pipe. 4.10s, Hurst shifter.

10-22-2003, 11:05 PM	#6
Ieatcamaros Domestic Rice really sucks! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: KY Posts: 973	If you are going to make big power with it don't go over .040. If it is in an old pickup or something, there ain't anything wrong with .060. I have seen .060 motors with 100,000 miles on them. Oh yeah, it costs about $10 a hole to bore one out. $80 for a 302. But then you want it cleaned $20. New cam bearings and freeze plugs $30. __________________ The sig says it all.

10-23-2003, 12:27 AM	#7
stanger9219 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: st. louis, MO Posts: 197	REALLY DUMB QUESTION but would you have to get new pistons??I dont know much about porting, boring, or stroking __________________ 98 Cobra, CAI, Flowmasters, o/r h-pipe. 4.10s, Hurst shifter.

10-23-2003, 03:12 PM	#9
mustangcobra_91 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: amarillo tx united states Posts: 10	I have to agree. The bcam is not really a good cam. I would go with a trickflow stage 1. And i noticed you said your car is an aod. Have you installed a set of gears? If you havent i would put in a set of 3:73s or 4:10s.. Id also get a good set of heads if you have the money. They make a world of difference on a 302

10-23-2003, 03:38 PM	#10
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	For $1800, you might as well drop in a couple hundred more and call up DSS for a complete stroker small block. Then drop on some nice flowing heads and intake and you'll be well on your way to a kick-butt street car. E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

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