Stupid Feminists Strike Again

[Mr 5 0]

Just to keep the conversation going I'll venture another comment, this time regarding the subject of beauty being 'in the eye of the beholder'.

Everyone, both male and female, have our preferences in what we consider attractive in the opposite sex. That's normal and natural and once you mature a bit you usually get past the absurd notion that your partner has to look like some movie star. Well, most of us get past that stage. Some don't and that's sad.

I find that too often the really ordinary looking guy will have these fantasies about getting some Pam Anderson lookalike as a girlfriend. This guy is usually working for minimum wage and drives his parents old rusted-out '89 Geo. This guy is why they publish Playboy and Hustler.
Usually, around 25 or so, reality sets in and they get more realistic in their expectations. Usually.
Still, I don't feel that anyone can deny the necessity that your potential boyfriend or girlfriend appear attractive to you, even if you're the only person around who has that opinion.

Sadly, too often I've seen guys (and I know that girls do this too) get talked out of (humiliated, really) dating or even hanging around some perfectly nice girl that didn't meet some ill-defined criteria that 'friends' had decided on.

Sometimes this is just a social status thing ('she lives on the wrong side of town' nonsense) but often, it's because the girl is a bit too studious ('nerd') or too athletic ('butch') or not very social ('loser') or simply not especially attractive by the standards of whatever group the guy belongs too. Very sad.
Fortunately this kind of clique-driven prejudice fades once you get past High School.

Once you've grown past these other-directed attitudes, you can get real about who you date and lose the 'movie star' criteria for potential dates.

I know in many instances, we'll meet someone who seems rather ordinary in the physical sense but after getting to know them awhile, we find that person rather interesting. They may be funny, witty, warm, sweet, smart, whatever - but they appeal to us through their personality and guess what? They start looking a lot better! I've had it happen to me.

You then begin noticing their physical attributes that you seemed to have 'missed' earlier.
This is why both sexes need to give other people a chance before condemning them as 'not my type'. Most of my friends ended up marrying girls that were 'not their type'. Ironic but true.

Beauty is something that we should decide, once we start to ignore the media-fed images that pretend to tell us what's sexy and attractive.

I've come to the conclusion that about 90+% of both men and women fall into the 'ordinary' category of physical attractiveness - not really beautiful/hunky but certainly not ugly, either.
Then we have the 8 or 9% that are well above average in physical appearance. Unfortunately, they usually know it and often are unbearable to be around. A few are not.

I've met one or two like that. Really beautiful women who were sweet and pleasent and confided that most guys were afraid to approach them because of their looks and they didn't date much. I was amazed, but it was true.
They ended up with very average guys, too.

I encourage folks to be open to new people and experiences and don't pre-judge members of the opposite sex. You may find a real gem that you could have otherwise overlooked.

[84LX89GT]

My opinion is that if ANYONE, male OR female, wants to get anywhere in life they have to MAKE the opportunities and take chances as well as depend on only themselves.

The whole notion that you have to abandon "pink caps" and rise against "the establishment" i believe is BS. In order to make anything of yourself you have to WORK to achieve it, and blaming other people or spending your time bitching doesn't solve much if anything at all.

An example i can give is Oprah Winfrey (? spelling). She didn't "revolt against the foundation" or whatever people like to say. She just worked her butt off to accomplish her goal, and being a woman and a minority it was probably harder because of stereotypes, but not impossible to make something of her self, and she obviously succeeded and then some.

Something i respect in people is goals and determination. If you talked to any of those "feminazis" and asked them what their long term goal was and where they want to be in the future, they'd probably babble on about making equality for women and concentrating on making more opportunities for their "women sisters". What I don't understand is, why don't they lead by example and support educating other females in trades, rather than just bitching and no one going out and doing the "dirty work" themselves.

Well, this is just my opinion and some people may not agree, but this is just what i personally feel.

[srv1]

Originally posted by 84LX89GT
My opinion is that if ANYONE, male OR female, wants to get anywhere in life they have to MAKE the opportunities and take chances as well as depend on only themselves.

The whole notion that you have to abandon "pink caps" and rise against "the establishment" i believe is BS. In order to make anything of yourself you have to WORK to achieve it, and blaming other people or spending your time bitching doesn't solve much if anything at all.

An example i can give is Oprah Winfrey (? spelling). She didn't "revolt against the foundation" or whatever people like to say. She just worked her butt off to accomplish her goal, and being a woman and a minority it was probably harder because of stereotypes, but not impossible to make something of her self, and she obviously succeeded and then some.

Something i respect in people is goals and determination. If you talked to any of those "feminazis" and asked them what their long term goal was and where they want to be in the future, they'd probably babble on about making equality for women and concentrating on making more opportunities for their "women sisters". What I don't understand is, why don't they lead by example and support educating other females in trades, rather than just bitching and no one going out and doing the "dirty work" themselves.

Well, this is just my opinion and some people may not agree, but this is just what i personally feel.

couldnt be said any better than that!

[srv1]

oh, i still dont like her show! that just my preference.

[Mr 5 0]

Oprah Winfrey is a good example of someone who used her abilities to become a huge success.
Unfortunately her personal life hasn't done as well, with her endless weight problems and her inability to commit to marriage after 20 years or so of living with the same man and her obvious decision to not have children. Her business of course, but I find it amusing that Oprah has gotten into the realm of dispensing life choice advice (mostly humanism-based).
Now, if she was giving financial or career advice, that would make more sense.

In case you've all missed it, the feminists generally have moved on from workplace equality issues because they realize it's already been achieved.

Sadly, feminists are now totally political in the sense that abortion rights have become almost a religion and they are knee-jerk liberal Democrats, even staying mostly silent when Clinton's sleazy antics with 21-year-old interns was the #1 news.

Lately, I noticed that the National Organization of Women has decided to defend the woman in Texas that drowned her five small children. They are calling it 'temporary insanity due to patriarchal oppression'. Translation: It was all her husbands fault. Bull.

This practice of so-called 'feminists' using the 'girl defense' is disgusting. On one hand, it's "I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar" (self-empowerment) then - when the going gets tough - it's all the guy's fault: 'Boo Hoo, I'm just a helpless little woman, don't blame me'!

As I see it, women in America are far, far from helpless, unless they choose to be. We make choices. Honesty would help. Women in Afghanistan were oppressed. Feminists are just milking the non-existant 'oppression' of American women for political and sometimes financial gain, much as the NAACP and Jesse Jackson do when they play the race card to get some benefit or other for a select group of people. It's all a sham and most of us know it and it doesn't help the relationship between men and women a bit.

I'm pleased to find MustangBelle306 and some other women see the feminist 'movement' for what it is. Simply a very liberal political action committee that uses the 'oppression' of women as a wedge to divide Americans of both sexes with little benefit to either gender.

Who needs them?

[84LX89GT]

I didn't mean to imply that i like oprah's show either, it's just that she makes a ton of money . Also, women right's advocates as Mr 5 0 pointed out have gone on to attacking other things in society, but you still hear the occasional whine of "women don't make as much money", "women aren't promoted as often", etc. etc.
My own mother is a senior manager (in charge of a large editing group) for microsoft and worked her way up from the bottom 10 years ago (as a temp worker) and now she has a nice nest egg for retirement and a very good paying, high ranking, responsible job and has a say in alot of the operations in her group.

That commercial really is annoying!! I really don't like the message it is sending out, atall! It seems as though they are saying "I hate to be a female" or "I'm not going to be feminine". It makes me feel they hate men, in general (almost threatening).

As far as that woman that drug her 5 children, (kicking, screaming, and begging) one-by-one to the tub and drown them.. To kill your own defenseless children, the ones that look up to you with unconditional love, is just sickening!!

I understand that people 'lose it' sometimes but that woman had more than one chance to stop between the beginning of the first and the ending of the last child. She had other choices besides killing them! It isn't some mental condition, like they are making it out to be, she is just an evil person(woman or not). My opinion is that if they were to execute 'crazy' people with the same death they deliver, there wouldn't be so many 'crazy' *** people.

[fixer]

[i]Originally posted by Mr 5 0




In case you've all missed it, the feminists generally have moved on from workplace equality issues because they realize it's already been achieved.

BINGO.

Sadly, feminists are now totally political in the sense that abortion rights have become almost a religion and they are knee-jerk liberal Democrats, even staying mostly silent when Clinton's sleazy antics with 21-year-old interns was the #1 news.

Actually, it goes way, way, way beyond current affairs and pure politics. I mean current feminist research nowadays is about concepts of transcending gender. In women's studies courses, one learns that the act & process of a man impregnating a woman is actually the purest form of oppression of a woman by a man.

then there is Marxist-Feminism: the most cutting edge feminist theory there is; and the one most widely epoused by the intelligistia in the academy.

i can walk through the halls of my alma-mater's humanities and social studies dept's and see nothing but posters, newspaper clippings and other related anecdotes singing the praises of Marxism AND FEMINISM ( as it is now taught).

Lately, I noticed that the National Organization of Women has decided to defend the woman in Texas that drowned her five small children. They are calling it 'temporary insanity due to patriarchal oppression'. Translation: It was all her husbands fault. Bull.

Actually, i heard they were considering calling this a case of "belated partial birth abortion"

Honesty would help. Women in Afghanistan were oppressed.

exactly. So... where are all the feminists now? that is, now that we are removing Islamic Fascism from being a serious threat to women and free people everywhere, where are they?

The silence is deafening.

Actually, far from silence, most of the tenured radicals would prefer it if the war was stopped.

someone needs to ask these people, exactly in which direction does your moral compass point?

[Mr 5 0]

fixer:

I concur with your observations on feminists.

It's generally understood that feminism today has been taken over by the radicals, and that is nowhere more evident than on the college campus.

Look at the what they support (Andrea Yeager) and what they ignore (Afghanistan women).

Hopefully, they are becoming a marginal factor in the lives of most women, as they should be.

Frankly, I think that feminism's time has passed, just as the 'civil rights' era passed a long time ago. Oh, there is still some bigotry against both racial minorities and women here and there and you can find some specific grievence in any large organization, but institutionally-sponsored racism or 'gender-bias' is mostly a figment of the imaginations of the NOW gang and Al Sharpton.

I find it interesting that Oprah Winfrey - a black woman - is one of the most successful people in America; certainly one of the richest women.

She was born poor, female and black and yet, in what some groups will try to tell you is a racist and 'patriarchal' society, Oprah rose, through her own efforts and abilities, to attain the stardom, influence and wealth she enjoys today. She didn't marry some guy or trade on her race to get there, either. NOW and the NAACP will tell you that they 'paved the way' for an Oprah to succeed, but I believe that the American people paved the way, by abandoning racism as an acceptable attitude and accepting women in roles they might not have been accepted in earlier. We all benefited from that change.

Yes, the civil rights movement and the women's liberation movement started the ball rolling in the '60's by bringing these issues to light and making them something the American public had to deal with, but Americans responded responsibly and these issues were basically settled about 20 to 30 years ago.

We're a better nation for those national decisions and I don't want to go back but that is exactly why you see Jesse Jackson shaking down car companies for multi-million-dollar 'affirmative action' scams and NOW defending mass child-murderers. They are basically irrelevant and need to search out for something, anything to 'champion' to keep the money coming in.

Unfortunately, some folks still believe that these groups really represent black people or women. They don't, but the liberal media run to them for a quote anytime any issue that falls in the area of race or gender comes up, so the general impression the public gets is that they are representing those groups.

I'm not fooled and as far as NOW goes, I doubt very many women - especially younger ones - are fooled, either. They are a lot smarter than that.
I mean, can many women look at Kim Gandy, the shrill leader of NOW and relate to her? I doubt it.

As I said, American women are smart and independent and won't be taken in by radical feminists telling them that killing their unborn babies is the epitome of womenhood and that 'men' are the source of any problems they ever had.


Is this a great country or what?

[Coupe Devil]

Originally posted by Mr 5 0
Sadly, too often I've seen guys (and I know that girls do this too) get talked out of (humiliated, really) dating or even hanging around some perfectly nice girl that didn't meet some ill-defined criteria that 'friends' had decided on.

Sometimes this is just a social status thing ('she lives on the wrong side of town' nonsense) but often, it's because the girl is a bit too studious ('nerd') or too athletic ('butch') or not very social ('loser') or simply not especially attractive by the standards of whatever group the guy belongs too. Very sad.
Fortunately this kind of clique-driven prejudice fades once you get past High School.

Once you've grown past these other-directed attitudes, you can get real about who you date and lose the 'movie star' criteria for potential dates.

I know in many instances, we'll meet someone who seems rather ordinary in the physical sense but after getting to know them awhile, we find that person rather interesting. They may be funny, witty, warm, sweet, smart, whatever - but they appeal to us through their personality and guess what? They start looking a lot better!

This could not be more true for myself.
I must regretfully admit that I was one of the guys in high school that listened to their friends about who I dated. "She's a wh#$#, D'ont go out with her, she isn't that good looking, I heard that she ________, or any other sterotypical excuse that the guys could think of.
I found my self in a couple of bad situations because I DIDN'T do like they advised though. I'm glad I put myself in that place though. I am a lot more independent now because if I screw something up it's because "I" screwed something up, not anyone else.

I've found myself attracted to many women that in high school where totally against what ever happened to be popular that week.

I'm interested in all women, for the most part. There are a couple of areas I decline from entering only because "I" have made the decision, no one else. I have grown a lot over the past four years and have come to realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Granted, I don't want to end up with someone that is absolutely "grotesque" but looks aren't the most important thing anymore. I enjoy beautiful women as much as the next guy but they're are so many more hidden attributes to the female sex that have made themselves evident in my search for the "Perfect Woman".

I believe that women feel the same way. I dont think that looks are as important to women as they once were. At least for my sake, I hope not! I'm not Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise but I don't consider myself to be the hunchback either (said respectfully). I just think there are too many people that date or do things because it's 'cool' to go with the star quaterback or the head cheerleader. What about that girl or guy that works hard to get good grades because they want to be a doctor or lawyer and provide a happy and safe living for a family?

I simply can't stand soap operas.
For one reason - I'm a guy, and the other reason is the shear lack of realism. I honestly can't think of any one person that lives life that way.

Be honest to yourself, honest to others, but most importantly, live life for yourself and no one else. I do not care in the least little bit what other people think of me. I'm happy doing what I do and living my own life. I just wish the rest of the world felt the same way.

Brad

[fixer]

Originally posted by Mr 5 0
fixer:




Is this a great country or what?

Indeed.

[crewzin]

Find woman, marry women, have little ones, be happy man! I just guess im old fashioned. I think people think to hard about what to do with there life and where am i going and bla bla bla me me me me. Life is what happens while your making other plans!

I look at it like this, and I quote" If there are women, femnazis, out there that think men are the DEBEL, so what. That just means they wont have kids with the same phuked up genes to think like they do." There I said it! That means in a few generations they might be extinct. Ha.

I was raised up to respect women and treat them well. If I had been raised to mistreat them then I probly would, you see my point. Its all in how the children are taught and raised that defines the future and those people in it.

Just to go on record, I LOVE WOMEN. I might not always agree with em but as a man, they sure are nice.

Real women dont rally and ***** about life, they just live. Lets not forget the strength that our nation showed when its men went to WWII. The (real) women went to work to build the tools and equipment that the men needed to make sure there and our future would be safe. So we should'nt have any doubts as to what women can be capable of when motivated.
Its just sad to see the feminists impress on the minds of young women that they need somone to tell them how they are being mistreated. What a crock-of-sh*t.

Sorry for the long post. Later....