I HATE TEENAGERS (rant)

[Mr 5 0]

Originally posted by srv1

Could it be? the whole time PKRWUD is MR 5.0?

Hmmmmm. Actually, now that you mention it, I do talk to myself a lot (answering those voices in my head) so it could be possible ...but I don't think so.

The reality is that we're just two guys (on different coasts) with a little more life experience that often do see things similarly, although often from a slightly different angle.

Any other resemblence is purely coincidental. Really.

[PKRWUD]

I don't remember typing that.



Take care,
-Chris

[Back Seat Driver]

When i read this it made me think about oneperson inparticuarly(SP). BEFORE my friend got his license his Daddy went out and bought him a little Eagle Talon. That was a bad move, he got a few tickets. Then His Daddy bought him a Jeep 4x4. That was even worse. He goes off roading everyday ( on Private Property). He has Broke numerous things in the past month. The biggest thing was he Almost drove into a pond on Friday night when he was off roading.

But If mommy and daddy buy the car and the parts then why not destroy it , they probly think.
And Yes MOST Teenagers drive like Idiots. But then again there are lots of adults that drive just as bad.

But that is just stupid how those guys were driving...

[Mustangbelle306]

Originally posted by Tod
it's still sad that there are still 6 out of 10 cars that are driven by kids as gifts from their parents.

Not really. My dad bought my 6 cyl Mustang, and I ended up paying for my GT and my 86 notch. I also pay for all the mods (let's start another thread about credit!!!)

However, I've always believed that my family's money is just as important as MY money. Just bc my daddy rewarded straight As with a "gift" car doesn't mean I appreciated it ANY less. In fact, I treated that car better than my current GT. Soooo...let's keep the stereotypes to a minimum shall we?

Its not about the source, but your level of respect for yours or other people's belongings.

[Tod]

Belle, i see your point and i'm sure you did take care of the gift from your dad. things around your town are just different then mine. up here, we got so many spoiled brats (they even admit it on their LISCENCE PLATES) that got cars from their parents it's just revolting. but i know what you mean, it's all about the way the kid is programmed and how he/she accepts a gift like that from his'her parents.

[7000rpmisheaven]

I think belle has a good point and that it is mainly about attitude. If someone were going to give you a car you would take it. I know I would.
I'm only 20 now. When I was in school it was very rare to have bought your own car. Almost every person I knew not only had a car but had it handed down to them or bought for them by there parents. What I hated was that the people with the nice cars were automatically way cooler than us people without. I was not one of the cool kids. I worked at mcdonalds and saved for a year to buy a POS chrysler. I would get made fun of. Not that I let it bother me. I knew a guy that bought a mustang on his own. It was an old one. It needed quite a bit of work but he was working on it. He got hassled alot by this guy that had a modded 98 camaro. The guy would make fun of his stang and tell him how slow it was. The guy with the camaro payed for nothing. His parents paid for everything.

[The Sandman]

Dude you have to remember not all of us are like that. I'm a really good driver most of the time, there is an occasional race though....but even then only if the roads are clear.
From my perspective, you're stereotyping ALL teenage drivers into a group of inconsiderate driving pricks. Well, how would you like it if I turned that around on you, and called you a typical Mustang driving *******?? You don't like it do you, well we (teens who are good drivers) don't appreciate your stupid rant.
So why don't YOU just relax and realize that there are stupid people out there no matter what their race, age, or car is....

[Mr 5 0]

Originally posted by The Sandman

Dude you have to remember not all of us are like that.

From my perspective, you're stereotyping ALL teenage drivers into a group of inconsiderate driving pricks.

Sandman:

First; everyone with a drivers license believes they're 'a really good driver'' so that statement is irrelevant to the point made in the original post.

302blownpony specifically stated that he was upset with affluent teen drivers that drove in an irresponsible manner and the thread veered off into comments about teens who don't work and/or pay for the cars they drive, often quite recklessly.

Yes, there are dumb and dangerous drivers in all age and class groups but it's long been proven through verifiable accident statistics that both teens and young adults (16 - 25) and the elderly (over 75) comprise the groups that have the most - and often the most serious - accidents (fatatilies).

The fact that 302blownpony doesn't like to see his peers abuse the priviledge of driving a powerful new car, endanger others - including you and me - and make under-25-drivers insurance premiums rise into the stratosphere is perfectly valid and deserving of a rant.

It isn't 'stupid' to have a strong opinion. This forum was created for this purpose.
He had his say - as you did - and now I've had mine. This is how it works...dude.


7000rpmisheaven:

What you're describing is in your last post is called 'class envy' and it's part of life, especially in the middle class world where everyone is striving to get ahead of everyone else in some way.

Cars are a status symbol and so the newer, flashier or expensive your car, the more 'status' it provides, if you choose to buy into that mindset. Some do, some don't.

This competition will eventually progress into including your job title, house size and neighborhood you live in as all comprising your position on the social scale, if you let it. I advise rejecting this trap but that's easier said than done. It's easy to reject when you don't have much but gets harder when you progress in your career (I'm making that assumption here) aquire more money and want nicer possessions, including cars. Get used to class envy, it's as American as apple pie and used by liberal politicians to divide us and make the working middle class feel somehow guilty for having more than someone less ambitious. It's all BS.

[Coupe Devil]

Originally posted by The Sandman

Dude you have to remember not all of us are like that. I'm a really good driver most of the time, there is an occasional race though....but even then only if the roads are clear.
From my perspective, you're stereotyping ALL teenage drivers into a group of inconsiderate driving pricks. Well, how would you like it if I turned that around on you, and called you a typical Mustang driving *******?? You don't like it do you, well we (teens who are good drivers) don't appreciate your stupid rant.
So why don't YOU just relax and realize that there are stupid people out there no matter what their race, age, or car is....

What you didn't seem to realize (judging by your post) is that 302blownpony is a teenager and a good driving one at that.

You say, and I quote: "I'm a really good driver most of the time, there is an occasional race though....but even then only if the roads are clear."
Why not be a good driver all the time - and take it to the track?

[Sknight579]

not all of us "teenagers" drive like frekin Idiots, some of us obey the law. Also my parents are pretty rich, but they wouldn't buy me a great new car, I bought both of my cars with my own money, I had to get a job to do it but now I have 2 cars, a 88 Mercury Grand Marquis and a '65 Mustang, I had to buy the Mercury from my parents for $500 bucks, It barely ran then, and my stang cost me $5,900 My parents didn't pay for any of it, so not all "teenagers" are like you say.

[Mustangbelle306]

Originally posted by pony_power_90

Why not be a good driver all the time - and take it to the track?

Are you trying to say you've never raced on the road? Gee..you're probably ONE of the few on this board...including MYSELF.

[Coupe Devil]

Originally posted by Mustangbelle306


Are you trying to say you've never raced on the road? Gee..you're probably ONE of the few on this board...including MYSELF.

I raced one time. I have a wrecked 90 lx 50 5 speed now just for that. Its totalled. Did I mention I had jsut swaped in a fresh 306, and t5 6000 miles before I crashed it. NO matter how "In Control" you are, dont think you cant hit a tree. Or another car. Take it to the Track.

Brad

[Tod]

Sknight and Sandman, who said ALL teenagers can't drive? i think the thread is an important one. *Most* of the time teenagers are stupid behind the wheel. i said most. and it's a steroetype because some of the dumbest/most reckless drivers on the road are teenagers. and i had a friend that is a VERY good driver and also a teenager. she reached back to get a map ONE TIME and lost control and started a 4 car pileup. nobody was seriously injured but she hasn't had so much as a parking ticket since. so she learned her lesson from ONE mistake behind the wheel. she also learned that even though she was a cautious driver, she wasn't invinsible like *many* teens think they are.

and you must admit, the person's story who started the thread contained a very stupid pair of teenage drivers. but stupid drivers come in all shapes and ages in all kinds of vehicles. chill out.

[The Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr 5 0


Sandman:

First; everyone with a drivers license believes they're 'a really good driver'' so that statement is irrelevant to the point made in the original post.

302blownpony specifically stated that he was upset with affluent teen drivers that drove in an irresponsible manner and the thread veered off into comments about teens who don't work and/or pay for the cars they drive, often quite recklessly.

Yes, there are dumb and dangerous drivers in all age and class groups but it's long been proven through verifiable accident statistics that both teens and young adults (16 - 25) and the elderly (over 75) comprise the groups that have the most - and often the most serious - accidents (fatatilies).

The fact that 302blownpony doesn't like to see his peers abuse the priviledge of driving a powerful new car, endanger others - including you and me - and make under-25-drivers insurance premiums rise into the stratosphere is perfectly valid and deserving of a rant.

It isn't 'stupid' to have a strong opinion. This forum was created for this purpose.
He had his say - as you did - and now I've had mine. This is how it works...dude.


7000rpmisheaven:

What you're describing is in your last post is called 'class envy' and it's part of life, especially in the middle class world where everyone is striving to get ahead of everyone else in some way.

Cars are a status symbol and so the newer, flashier or expensive your car, the more 'status' it provides, if you choose to buy into that mindset. Some do, some don't.

This competition will eventually progress into including your job title, house size and neighborhood you live in as all comprising your position on the social scale, if you let it. I advise rejecting this trap but that's easier said than done. It's easy to reject when you don't have much but gets harder when you progress in your career (I'm making that assumption here) aquire more money and want nicer possessions, including cars. Get used to class envy, it's as American as apple pie and used by liberal politicians to divide us and make the working middle class feel somehow guilty for having more than someone less ambitious. It's all BS.

By me being saying that "I am a good driver", I judge myself by the driving of others I see. That is all.

And I do take it to the track, however it JUST opened on Saturday and when I pull up beside somebody at a light, I can't drop everything and say "Hey guy this is illegal why don't we go to the dragstrip!"
I have been several times, but as said earlier, I only will 'go' on the streets if there are no cars in front or the possibility for other cars to get in the way....including side roads, intersections, etc...

[Unit 5302]

Originally posted by pony_power_90


I raced one time. I have a wrecked 90 lx 50 5 speed now just for that. Its totalled. Did I mention I had jsut swaped in a fresh 306, and t5 6000 miles before I crashed it. NO matter how "In Control" you are, dont think you cant hit a tree. Or another car. Take it to the Track.

Brad

Yep, and at the track you can hit a cement barrier and total your car too. You fail to make a point.

I like the point you make in your signature by the way.

Drive it like you have a pair Why not tatoo Hypocritical Idiot to your forehead?

[PKRWUD]

Kell, I'm guessing you had a bad day, because this is the second thread in a row that I've seen where you insulted someone in a rather uncalled for manner. I hope your night gets better.

In defense of Pony_Power, he's absolutely right. How can you possibly question the ethics and saftey involved with racing on the street versus a track. Sure, you might hit the barrier, but you'll be wearing safety equipment in a vehicle that has been inspected for saftey issues that the driver may have overlooked, AND there is professional medical support at all licensed tracks.

Take care,
-Chris

[Mustangbelle306]

Originally posted by pony_power_90


I raced one time. I have a wrecked 90 lx 50 5 speed now just for that. Its totalled. Did I mention I had jsut swaped in a fresh 306, and t5 6000 miles before I crashed it. NO matter how "In Control" you are, dont think you cant hit a tree. Or another car. Take it to the Track.

Brad

Yes..I already made that point in another thread concerning a new GT for a 17 year old...I'm just saying..its not very nice to call the kettle black. I understand your point however...its always nice to put negative personal experiences to use to prevent others from making the same mistake.

[Coupe Devil]

Sorry guys, I should have been more clear. PKRWUD hit the nail on the head. I'm sorry, I should have made my point more clear. Unit as always you are correct. I apoligize for being a Hypocritacal Idiot, and will not let it happen again.

Brad

[Unit 5302]

My point is purely not to be hypocritical. Telling people in a condesending manner to take it to the track when knowing NOTHING of other places and how much it costs to "take it to the track" hits home with me. That and saying that his car got wrecked so it's a good reason to take it to the track. I don't involve myself in organized street racing, but if I get the chance, I will engage in a quick run with another car. Doesn't usually last more than a few seconds, and is certainly not any more dangerous than "driving it like I have a pair"

Moorhead - 3 1/2hrs $40, a few runs.
Brainard International Raceway - 3 1/2hrs $140, 2-3 runs.
Rock Falls - 3hrs $80, 2-3 runs.

Those prices and chances to run are real here. I do NOT have $100-$200 to spend on gas, food, race fees, and other expenses. That's one long *** day should I decide not to spend the night, too. All for 2, maybe 3 runs.

I find it extremely ironic that you would bring up safety equipment, Chris. After all, you're the same person adamant against helmets being of any use on a motorcycle. Not much else required for most near stock cars at the track, and I fail to see how a helmets use in a car is any more or even equally effective than on a bike.

[PKRWUD]

Originally posted by Unit 5302
I find it extremely ironic that you would bring up safety equipment, Chris. After all, you're the same person adamant against helmets being of any use on a motorcycle. Not much else required for most near stock cars at the track, and I fail to see how a helmets use in a car is any more or even equally effective than on a bike.

I'm not going to dive into that argument again, but in short, facts and numbers support that helmets cause more accidents than they prevent on a bike, and at a track with a car, you have to adhere to set rules and regulations. The numbers actually prove that if saving your life is what is important, then you would be better served to wear a helmet while driving your car as opposed to a bike.

Take care,
-Chris