03 cobra?? why noy rousch stage 3

Dark_5.0 · 02-19-2002, 08:48 PM

For all the people that like the 03 cobra so much why not get a rousch stage 3 for 29-32,000 bucks.

They are similar, Just wondering

Fox Body · 02-19-2002, 09:38 PM

They may be similar, but a Roush stang is not a Cobra....

84LX89GT · 02-19-2002, 10:29 PM

I work at a ford dealership and i can tell you several reasons why I personally would rather have a cobra.

The Cobra is designed to production quality and as such has a decent warranty and is easier and less expensive for someone to diagnose. This is because the SVT PCM is designed for the car rather than Roush which has chips that alter the factory programming and as such voids the actual ford warranty (Ford issued a memo that ANY vehicle containing an aftermarket chip voids the ford warranty). A chip is also VERY easily detected because if someone has to hook up a scan tool, the vehicle shows up as an australian/european car (forget why they do it, but i think it's because other countries have less stringent emissions so it's easier to alter the programming). So in other words, you have to have a Roush warranty.

From personal experience with a drivability concern on a Roush F150, it takes FOREVER for Roush to re-imburse the dealership for the money, which makes them much less likely to work on it. Plus only Roush dealers are usually willing to work on the vehicle whereas non-roush dealers would probably make you pay for repairs out of your pocket or they wouldn't work on it at all in the first place.

The Roush has a cheesy body kit that is easy to scrape into things and basically all you get is a GT with ground effects, side exhaust, and a supercharger with related engine management items. The Roush air filter and housing are cheesy at best as well and their "electrostatic welding" of the air box isn't very good (they call it electrostatic welding....i call it cheap glue).

The Cobra also brings the name and good handling in a very daily drivable package as well as good emissions, whereas the Roush rides rough and for the money isn't all that great (in my opinion).

This is what i think...i'm sure there will be differing opinions though

95mustanggt · 02-20-2002, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fox Body
They may be similar, but a Roush stang is not a Cobra....

You got it Fox. A Cobra is a Cobra is a Cobra!!

Mustangbelle306 · 02-20-2002, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fox Body
They may be similar, but a Roush stang is not a Cobra....

And a Cobra is NOT a Roush...

Mustangbelle306 · 02-20-2002, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 84LX89GT
I work at a ford dealership and i can tell you several reasons why I personally would rather have a cobra.

The Cobra is designed to production quality and as such has a decent warranty and is easier and less expensive for someone to diagnose. This is because the SVT PCM is designed for the car rather than Roush which has chips that alter the factory programming and as such voids the actual ford warranty (Ford issued a memo that ANY vehicle containing an aftermarket chip voids the ford warranty). A chip is also VERY easily detected because if someone has to hook up a scan tool, the vehicle shows up as an australian/european car (forget why they do it, but i think it's because other countries have less stringent emissions so it's easier to alter the programming). So in other words, you have to have a Roush warranty.

From personal experience with a drivability concern on a Roush F150, it takes FOREVER for Roush to re-imburse the dealership for the money, which makes them much less likely to work on it. Plus only Roush dealers are usually willing to work on the vehicle whereas non-roush dealers would probably make you pay for repairs out of your pocket or they wouldn't work on it at all in the first place.

Do you feel the same about Saleen? I had the impression that Saleen was more closely affliated with Ford.

Rebel79 · 02-20-2002, 03:52 PM

HAHAHAHAHA Roush Stage 3 for $30k???? You gotta be kidding! Base price of a Gt is abour $24k and the Stage 2 along is a $9k package without the usual 3-4k dealer markup. So for a Stage 2 you are looking at a minumum of $36k. Add about 5k on top of that for a Stage 3. Its really not worth it in my opinion, plus SVT's have more value.

Dark_5.0 · 02-20-2002, 04:03 PM

No not kidding come to west texas and see for yourself.

later,

blue00gt · 02-20-2002, 05:48 PM

From talking to a guy at my local dealership, Saleen is not much better. He said that they have stopped carrying them because of some warranty issues that Saleen would not honor and also because they insisted that they keep 10 Saleens in stock at all times.
To tell you the truth I am not very happy with Saleen either. It took over $1600 worth of prep work to smooth out my body kit so that it looked decent. Not what I was expecting from a kit that costs $1600 to begin with!
Also, I ordered a rear tower bar from them when they were on sale for cheap and it turns out it is a *******' 30lb steel tube that is flat at the ends and you have to drill holes in the side of your towers and shim it with washers to make it bride the gap properly....

RAINSTANG · 02-20-2002, 06:44 PM

Rousch stage 3 for 29-30K??? Maybe in Texas. The local authorized Rousch dealership has had a 2001 stage ONE convertible on thier floor for about 8 months now. They are asking FORTY TWO FREAKIN THOUSAND DOLLARS for it. I took one look at it and when I stopped laughing gently reminded them that I could buy a Cobra for less and blow the doors off the thing. You should have heard all the hemming and hawing and blah, blah, blah. What a joke.

Jeb_Bush_2000 · 02-21-2002, 12:51 AM

$18,000 for a new GT? That's funny...Ford says $17,800 for a base V6, and $23,360 for a base GT.

Tim89LXvert · 02-22-2002, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dark_5.0
For all the people that like the 03 cobra so much why not get a rousch stage 3 for 29-32,000 bucks.

They are similar, Just wondering

1) 6 Speed manual
2) IRS (yes, I would actually want that since they beefed it)
3) No cheesy body kit
4) Full factory warranty with no middle-man hassles

I thought I saw a Roush Stage III tested in one of the mags, and it was almost $50K??

MidNiteBlu 5.0 · 02-22-2002, 10:54 AM

Yes MM+FF testede it not too long ago and they said it is like 50k

I would rather have a Cobra or an older Saleen. I dont truly care for the new saleen body kits. The '95 S351 is the best looking Saleen ever IMO.

Later

Dark_5.0 · 02-22-2002, 11:41 AM

Well if it is really 50,000 bucks I dont know what the deal is .........I must have been misinformed.

2002 Roush Vert · 02-22-2002, 01:44 PM

Has anyone here ever driven a Roush or Saleen....The difference between one of these cars and a Cobra is stark. The Roush and Saleen are built to handle. They are true sports cars with Cobra horsepower and torque. A Cobra and a stock Mustang handle on corners much like a pickup truck. Everyone here go to the dealer and drive a Roush. A Stage 3 Roush and the Saleen equilivent is approximately $50 thousand but well worth it. It is a drivers car.

RAINSTANG · 02-22-2002, 06:23 PM

Last summer a dealership actually let me drive a blown Saleen S351 convertible and it was outstanding. They let me drive it because A. my 92 GT is pristine and a bunch of salesmen asked me if I wanted to sell it, and B. the Saleen had been on thier floor for awhile. Needless to say, I drove it hard. We got on the freeway and I hammered it from the ramp light up to about 120 and pushed it into a long sweeping curve. It was like a slot car. The best part was when we returned to the lot. The salesman who was with me (appeared to be about 19 and didn't really know squat about the car) exclaimed "whoa dude, I've never seen the boost gauge move before!" Very cool but, unfortunately I had 46,000 reasons not to buy it.

venumus93 · 02-22-2002, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 95mustanggt

You got it Fox. A Cobra is a Cobra is a Cobra!!

..I just wish my local SVT dealer would trade staight up with me for an '03 Cobra...hmmmm, I'll try "Guys, a Cobra is a Cobra, let's just trade straight up!" Wish me luck...later!

Unit 5302 · 02-22-2002, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2002 Roush Vert
Has anyone here ever driven a Roush or Saleen....The difference between one of these cars and a Cobra is stark. The Roush and Saleen are built to handle. They are true sports cars with Cobra horsepower and torque. A Cobra and a stock Mustang handle on corners much like a pickup truck. Everyone here go to the dealer and drive a Roush. A Stage 3 Roush and the Saleen equilivent is approximately $50 thousand but well worth it. It is a drivers car.

LOL. Well, I guess that's one way of putting it. The correct way to put it is more like

"The Roush and Saleen are street legal race cars, while the Cobra and GT are good handling, high performance production cars."

No offense, but for 1/2 the additional cost of a Roush or Saleen, a new GT, or Cobra for that matter, could be made to run circles around them.

Ty'97Cobra · 02-22-2002, 10:06 PM

I don't like all the ground affects. That is why I got the LX in 1988 instead of the GT.

If I had my choice, and I do, I would get the Cobra in a heartbeat. Ya know what, I just might trade in the 97. Anyone wanna buy a 97 Vert with 25k on it? lol. Hmmm, maybe I'll just put the Eaton roots blower on it....

02-19-2002, 08:48 PM	#1
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	03 cobra?? why noy rousch stage 3 For all the people that like the 03 cobra so much why not get a rousch stage 3 for 29-32,000 bucks. They are similar, Just wondering __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

02-19-2002, 09:38 PM	#2
Fox Body Mustang Maniac Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: GA, U.S.A Posts: 2,266	that's simple.... They may be similar, but a Roush stang is not a Cobra.... __________________ 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang Ghia notchback '79 Video @ Idle Stock 5.8L under 4" cowl 'glass hood, C4 w/ Transgo shift kit, Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake; Fluidyne Al radiator, Flexalite 175 electric fan, 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, FRPP Al driveshaft; S&W 6-point cage; 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters, 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s; Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 275/50/15 Nitto NT 555R Drag Radials; 14 x 4” K&N X-stream air filter. '92 GT (5-speed) Small In Car Video Stock 5.0L, 2-chamber Flowmasters, MAC CAI, Tri-Ax, Al pedals... "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body

02-19-2002, 10:29 PM	#3
84LX89GT Mustangs Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,938	I work at a ford dealership and i can tell you several reasons why I personally would rather have a cobra. The Cobra is designed to production quality and as such has a decent warranty and is easier and less expensive for someone to diagnose. This is because the SVT PCM is designed for the car rather than Roush which has chips that alter the factory programming and as such voids the actual ford warranty (Ford issued a memo that ANY vehicle containing an aftermarket chip voids the ford warranty). A chip is also VERY easily detected because if someone has to hook up a scan tool, the vehicle shows up as an australian/european car (forget why they do it, but i think it's because other countries have less stringent emissions so it's easier to alter the programming). So in other words, you have to have a Roush warranty. From personal experience with a drivability concern on a Roush F150, it takes FOREVER for Roush to re-imburse the dealership for the money, which makes them much less likely to work on it. Plus only Roush dealers are usually willing to work on the vehicle whereas non-roush dealers would probably make you pay for repairs out of your pocket or they wouldn't work on it at all in the first place. The Roush has a cheesy body kit that is easy to scrape into things and basically all you get is a GT with ground effects, side exhaust, and a supercharger with related engine management items. The Roush air filter and housing are cheesy at best as well and their "electrostatic welding" of the air box isn't very good (they call it electrostatic welding....i call it cheap glue). The Cobra also brings the name and good handling in a very daily drivable package as well as good emissions, whereas the Roush rides rough and for the money isn't all that great (in my opinion). This is what i think...i'm sure there will be differing opinions though __________________ 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300-R 1980 Ford Thunderbird - 255 V8 ported heads, 5.0L ported stock headers, O.R. H-pipe and Flowmaster 2-chambers, dual roller timing chain hi-po Mack Truck hood emblem 1985 Mustang GT 5.0L T5, F-303, GT40p, headers, off-road h, flowmasters, MSD stuff, etc. Sold 02/06/04 1989 Mustang GT ET: 13.304@102.29 mph (5-24-03) Sold - 1998 Mustang Cobra coupe, 1/4 mile - street tires: 13.843@103.41 (bone stock)

02-20-2002, 03:52 PM	#7
Rebel79 News Editor Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 2,101	HAHAHAHAHA Roush Stage 3 for $30k???? You gotta be kidding! Base price of a Gt is abour $24k and the Stage 2 along is a $9k package without the usual 3-4k dealer markup. So for a Stage 2 you are looking at a minumum of $36k. Add about 5k on top of that for a Stage 3. Its really not worth it in my opinion, plus SVT's have more value. __________________ Scott Halihan, News Editor The MustangWorks Magazine 1994 Supercharged Mustang Cobra Rebel Racing. Home of Bay Area Mustangs

02-20-2002, 04:03 PM	#8
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	No not kidding come to west texas and see for yourself. later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

02-20-2002, 05:48 PM	#9
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	From talking to a guy at my local dealership, Saleen is not much better. He said that they have stopped carrying them because of some warranty issues that Saleen would not honor and also because they insisted that they keep 10 Saleens in stock at all times. To tell you the truth I am not very happy with Saleen either. It took over $1600 worth of prep work to smooth out my body kit so that it looked decent. Not what I was expecting from a kit that costs $1600 to begin with! Also, I ordered a rear tower bar from them when they were on sale for cheap and it turns out it is a *******' 30lb steel tube that is flat at the ends and you have to drill holes in the side of your towers and shim it with washers to make it bride the gap properly.... __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

02-20-2002, 06:44 PM	#10
RAINSTANG Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 98	Rousch stage 3 for 29-30K??? Maybe in Texas. The local authorized Rousch dealership has had a 2001 stage ONE convertible on thier floor for about 8 months now. They are asking FORTY TWO FREAKIN THOUSAND DOLLARS for it. I took one look at it and when I stopped laughing gently reminded them that I could buy a Cobra for less and blow the doors off the thing. You should have heard all the hemming and hawing and blah, blah, blah. What a joke. __________________ 92GT,K&N, air silencer removed, MAC equal length shorty headers,9mm FMS wires, 2 chamber Flowmasters, Hurst Billet Plus,King Cobra clutch,FMS aluminum drive shaft,FMS 3:55's, KYB struts, shocks & quads.

02-21-2002, 12:51 AM	#11
Jeb_Bush_2000 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 374	$18,000 for a new GT? That's funny...Ford says $17,800 for a base V6, and $23,360 for a base GT.

02-22-2002, 10:54 AM	#13
MidNiteBlu 5.0 I got something to say Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,557	Yes MM+FF testede it not too long ago and they said it is like 50k I would rather have a Cobra or an older Saleen. I dont truly care for the new saleen body kits. The '95 S351 is the best looking Saleen ever IMO. Later __________________ 91 LX Hatch 5.0 - made for the twisties 89 LX Hatchback 5.0 5spd. stolen/stripped 4/7/05 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/...splay.cgi?3494 1987 Toyota Pickup Ricer Haters Club Member #33 Want a custom gauge cluster for your Vintage Mustang? www.jmeenterprises.com

02-22-2002, 11:41 AM	#14
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Well if it is really 50,000 bucks I dont know what the deal is .........I must have been misinformed. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

02-22-2002, 01:44 PM	#15
2002 Roush Vert Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Irvine, California Posts: 4	Roush v. Cobra Has anyone here ever driven a Roush or Saleen....The difference between one of these cars and a Cobra is stark. The Roush and Saleen are built to handle. They are true sports cars with Cobra horsepower and torque. A Cobra and a stock Mustang handle on corners much like a pickup truck. Everyone here go to the dealer and drive a Roush. A Stage 3 Roush and the Saleen equilivent is approximately $50 thousand but well worth it. It is a drivers car. __________________ Stewart A. Smith 2001 Stage 2 Roush Mustang 1969 Cougar XR-7 Irvine, California

02-22-2002, 06:23 PM	#16
RAINSTANG Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 98	Last summer a dealership actually let me drive a blown Saleen S351 convertible and it was outstanding. They let me drive it because A. my 92 GT is pristine and a bunch of salesmen asked me if I wanted to sell it, and B. the Saleen had been on thier floor for awhile. Needless to say, I drove it hard. We got on the freeway and I hammered it from the ramp light up to about 120 and pushed it into a long sweeping curve. It was like a slot car. The best part was when we returned to the lot. The salesman who was with me (appeared to be about 19 and didn't really know squat about the car) exclaimed "whoa dude, I've never seen the boost gauge move before!" Very cool but, unfortunately I had 46,000 reasons not to buy it. __________________ 92GT,K&N, air silencer removed, MAC equal length shorty headers,9mm FMS wires, 2 chamber Flowmasters, Hurst Billet Plus,King Cobra clutch,FMS aluminum drive shaft,FMS 3:55's, KYB struts, shocks & quads.

02-22-2002, 10:06 PM	#19
Ty'97Cobra Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: NC Posts: 308	I don't like all the ground affects. That is why I got the LX in 1988 instead of the GT. If I had my choice, and I do, I would get the Cobra in a heartbeat. Ya know what, I just might trade in the 97. Anyone wanna buy a 97 Vert with 25k on it? lol. Hmmm, maybe I'll just put the Eaton roots blower on it.... __________________ 2003 Cobra Convertible - Dark Shadow Gray #2459 of 5082 Visit my city http://diggstown.myminicity.com/

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