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Old 05-08-2005, 12:23 AM   #1
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Default Re: What do you think the most HP someone should have for a street drive?

what are you guys thinkin ...500 hp for a street car? in my books anything above 375 or 350 is plenty.. even a car pushin 300 on the street is going to be a thing to deal with - you said you wanted to beat your friends hondas? get anything with a stock v8 and there you go. if you get the 5.0 just slap a supercharger on it and be done ...thats all you need on the street to be a bad mofo
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Old 05-08-2005, 12:28 PM   #2
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I'm of the opinion that the 351W is one of the biggest pieces of junk that Ford has ever made. If you don't need 700-800hp, why invest in a block capable of taking it? There is no reason to go to a 351W setup unless you plan on making more than 350hp N/A or more than 450hp with forced induction.

Almost every stock 351W ever built makes signficantly less power than the stock 5.0HO, and you'll have to make the exact same modifications to a 351W that you'll have to make to a 302. All the 351W represents is extra weight, extra money, and extra gas consumption. Oh, but you do get to grunt and act like a 351W under the hood is a significant upgrade.

Fat0eknee, the bone stock 03 Cobra's were making nearly 400hp. With only the slightest of mods, they were making 425-450. Stock LS1 F bodies were making nearly 350hp. The problem is not with the horsepower, but the vehicle in its entirety. I disagree strongly with a 375hp car being difficult to deal with. That has to do with the tires, brakes, body rigidity, and suspension system. A properly setup car will behave night and day different than a 400hp otherwise stock Fox body.
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Old 05-08-2005, 03:41 PM   #3
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Fat0eknee, the bone stock 03 Cobra's were making nearly 400hp. With only the slightest of mods, they were making 425-450. Stock LS1 F bodies were making nearly 350hp. The problem is not with the horsepower, but the vehicle in its entirety. I disagree strongly with a 375hp car being difficult to deal with. That has to do with the tires, brakes, body rigidity, and suspension system. A properly setup car will behave night and day different than a 400hp otherwise stock Fox body.

but how many cobras do you see on the road on a daily basis? cmon ..really - sure we'll squeeze another 40 ponies out of it with a lightning pulley but be reasonable thats not going to be his only competition
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Old 05-08-2005, 07:25 PM   #4
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Sorry, I missed the carb comment. The carbed 450hp setup is a bad idea for a daily driver. Real bad. Carbed engines generally rev better and make more horsepower than their fuel injected bretheren when setup properly, but they sacrifice low end torque, fuel economy, and drivability.

He'll have to go with a 351 stroker (377ish) if he wants to make 450-500hp with a N/A carbed setup that's streetable, and it'll have to be a moderately aggressive setup at that.

Fat0eknee I don't disagree that 400hp is unusual or more than you're going to be able to fully utilize on the street, just at the concept of the 400hp car being difficult to keep control of. The DOHC Cobra's, when supercharged, can make 450hp without much else done to them, and they maintain drivability, too. That being said, I do agree with you if he plans on going N/A and carbed. I had a Honda CR500 2-stroke dirt bike a year or so ago. Tons of power, but the powerband came in so quick it was difficult to keep under control. Same case with a 450hp N/A small block. Expensive as wack, too.
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:10 AM   #5
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They are almost done with my brother in laws 90GT at pro-tech in Lubbock TX.

331 dart blocked turbo charged. It will make 650RWHP with the street tune and is capable of 800RWHP. This car will be a daily driver.

I will be posting pics soon.
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Old 05-09-2005, 02:45 PM   #6
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If you are going to go through an engine change you might as well just order a 514 from the Ford catalog. I think it has everything but a carb. Drop it in and you will have 650 HP. You wont have to deal with all that other crap.

By the way 500 hp is alot of power for a daily driver. I got about 500 with my 428 and i don't drive it except on weekends. It would be a real pain in the butt to drive everyday. It is alot of fun to have that much power but it is a very rough drive. You have to really stiffen your car up and it rattles everything htting bumps sucks bad. It really sucks bad to drive in the rain. i can't even count the number of times i spun out in the rain barley stepping on the gas. I suggest you get yourself some 500 dollar piece of $hit to drive around in then build your race car.
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Old 05-11-2005, 10:09 AM   #7
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They are almost done with my brother in laws 90GT at pro-tech in Lubbock TX.

331 dart blocked turbo charged. It will make 650RWHP with the street tune and is capable of 800RWHP. This car will be a daily driver.

I will be posting pics soon.
your zooq'sbrother in law? small world. i am acquainted w/him, dont really know him like a friend or anything. seems like a nice guy.

should be a bad ass car. it was tough enough with the stock block set up he had before the motor let go
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your zooq'sbrother in law? small world. i am acquainted w/him, dont really know him like a friend or anything. seems like a nice guy.

should be a bad ass car. it was tough enough with the stock block set up he had before the motor let go
I dont know if we are talking about the same guy or not.

Silver GT in perfect condition with black interior. His name is Shawn vaught.
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