simple solution to hijacking problem

Mr 5 0 · 09-12-2001, 11:49 AM

Interesting responses from everyone.
I would like to reply to a few of the main ideas presented and offer my views.

As for the pilots of an airline being protected behind some bullet-proof door; that won't work for the reasons already stated.
The pilot has the safety of the passengers as his first responsibility. If a terrorist threatens to kill a passenger every five minutes until the pilot opens that door...or the terrorists will shoot a hole in the plane big enough to lose pressure in the passenger cabin; the pilot has no choice but to open the cockpit door. He can't ignore the fact that all could die if he tries to barricade himself in the cockpit...he would look cowardly, too. The plane lands, but all the passengers are dead? I don't think so.

I agree with bigwhitecobra that a planeful of people, probably at least half meale, could jump three terrorists with small knives or razors. Not as easy as in the movies, though.
No room to move in a plane, the terrorists usually grab a female and use her as a shield (you have to be prepared to see her throat slit and watch her die in order to attack the terrorists) and you need the men to be at least a bit coordinated and rush the terrorists all at once. The terrorists know this too, and usually keep everyone in their seat or otherwise separated.
I'm not saying this isn't possible, just that overcoming two or three terrorists in the confines of a plane is harder than it sounds.

I do not, by the way, advocate 'bombing a country into oblivion', as was mentioned by 'Miracle Max'. I do advocate using our military intelligence and finding the camps and bases of these terrorists, then destroying them and those who inhabit them.
I can guarantee that some of the bases will be placed in areas will a high civilian population, which means that some, possibly many civilians will be killed in the process of destroying a terrorist house, building, camp, whatever. We have to understand that this is now a war, and not be so dainty and squeamish about killing those who would kill us, without hesitation.

Attempts to draw a moral equivalent between defending ourselves from terrorist murderers and the actions of the terrorists themselves is absurd and should be rejected. I do.

Nations that harbor, support and even encourage people who they know - repeat- they know will murder innocent people sitting at a desk in New York or a child playing in a street in Israel or elsewhere, should expect to be harmed by the military of the countries they willingly allowed terrorists to infiltrate and attack.
The destruction of the World Trade Center, the attack on the Pentagon and the attempted but failed attack on Camp David all prove that we are in a war. Many middle east countries support the groups behind the terrorism and they should be put on notice that if we find terrorists and/or bases, whatever, in their country, they will be totally destroyed. If these countries wish to cooperate with us, fine, if not, they must accept the consequences of that decision.

I agree that we were attacked because we support Israel and always have supported Israel. We will continue to do so; the attacks on the U.S. have made any thought of abandoning Israel unthinkable, especially since we now have a responsible President.
As the Japanese did when they bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, the Arab terrorists have truly awakened a 'sleeping giant'; America.
Americans do not take intimidation well, especially when thousands of our citizens are killed at their place of business. As we now know, we are at war. We will do what is necessary to win. Blood will be shed, there will be loss of life and property on both sides. The terrorists will not stop attacks on America, especially when we retaliate.
More Americans will die. One or more of us, sitting in a restaurant, driving down a highway, at our place of work, may be killed in the future. No one is immune.
The price of freedom is high, but we cannot allow 'criminals with a cause' to murder us at will, with little to no price to pay.

It won't be pretty and I hate the thought of it, but we can't go back and we cannot allow this to stand, or we are truly doomed.
I trust American and Americans will prevail.

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09-12-2001, 11:49 AM	#1
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Interesting responses from everyone. I would like to reply to a few of the main ideas presented and offer my views. As for the pilots of an airline being protected behind some bullet-proof door; that won't work for the reasons already stated. The pilot has the safety of the passengers as his first responsibility. If a terrorist threatens to kill a passenger every five minutes until the pilot opens that door...or the terrorists will shoot a hole in the plane big enough to lose pressure in the passenger cabin; the pilot has no choice but to open the cockpit door. He can't ignore the fact that all could die if he tries to barricade himself in the cockpit...he would look cowardly, too. The plane lands, but all the passengers are dead? I don't think so. I agree with bigwhitecobra that a planeful of people, probably at least half meale, could jump three terrorists with small knives or razors. Not as easy as in the movies, though. No room to move in a plane, the terrorists usually grab a female and use her as a shield (you have to be prepared to see her throat slit and watch her die in order to attack the terrorists) and you need the men to be at least a bit coordinated and rush the terrorists all at once. The terrorists know this too, and usually keep everyone in their seat or otherwise separated. I'm not saying this isn't possible, just that overcoming two or three terrorists in the confines of a plane is harder than it sounds. I do not, by the way, advocate 'bombing a country into oblivion', as was mentioned by 'Miracle Max'. I do advocate using our military intelligence and finding the camps and bases of these terrorists, then destroying them and those who inhabit them. I can guarantee that some of the bases will be placed in areas will a high civilian population, which means that some, possibly many civilians will be killed in the process of destroying a terrorist house, building, camp, whatever. We have to understand that this is now a war, and not be so dainty and squeamish about killing those who would kill us, without hesitation. Attempts to draw a moral equivalent between defending ourselves from terrorist murderers and the actions of the terrorists themselves is absurd and should be rejected. I do. Nations that harbor, support and even encourage people who they know - repeat- they know will murder innocent people sitting at a desk in New York or a child playing in a street in Israel or elsewhere, should expect to be harmed by the military of the countries they willingly allowed terrorists to infiltrate and attack. The destruction of the World Trade Center, the attack on the Pentagon and the attempted but failed attack on Camp David all prove that we are in a war. Many middle east countries support the groups behind the terrorism and they should be put on notice that if we find terrorists and/or bases, whatever, in their country, they will be totally destroyed. If these countries wish to cooperate with us, fine, if not, they must accept the consequences of that decision. I agree that we were attacked because we support Israel and always have supported Israel. We will continue to do so; the attacks on the U.S. have made any thought of abandoning Israel unthinkable, especially since we now have a responsible President. As the Japanese did when they bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, the Arab terrorists have truly awakened a 'sleeping giant'; America. Americans do not take intimidation well, especially when thousands of our citizens are killed at their place of business. As we now know, we are at war. We will do what is necessary to win. Blood will be shed, there will be loss of life and property on both sides. The terrorists will not stop attacks on America, especially when we retaliate. More Americans will die. One or more of us, sitting in a restaurant, driving down a highway, at our place of work, may be killed in the future. No one is immune. The price of freedom is high, but we cannot allow 'criminals with a cause' to murder us at will, with little to no price to pay. It won't be pretty and I hate the thought of it, but we can't go back and we cannot allow this to stand, or we are truly doomed. I trust American and Americans will prevail.