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Old 03-19-2003, 07:54 PM   #21
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I could of swore I replied, I'm not sure what happen, maybe I forgot to submit it at work. I'll have to check when I get work tomorrow but when I say he wants to become a dictator (look up the meaning) It says "An absolute ruler. ", I'm not even going towards the thought of Bush raping people or anything. Not even at all. I'm saying, the US wishes to become a world leading country. And yes they are, they are one of the most powerful countries and I respect all the hard working Americans who has brought it to what it is, but Bush has to relies that other countries has other beliefs, and he must learn to respect that. I do agree with him helping innocent casualties. I have to go out but I just wanted to see how the thread was going on. I don't mean to offend anyway, that isn't what I posted to do. I just was upset on the comment about dropping Nuclear weapons in Iraq. I'm sorry if the US is the first country to use a Nuclear Weapon, I will loose all faith in you the Bush's integrity to run a country.

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Old 03-19-2003, 07:57 PM   #22
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You guys made all the points I would have made if I had gotten to this post quicker. The nuke comment and the dictator comment both fall under the category of ridiculous.

Interestingly enough, former President Clinton supports this war. It actually doesn't surprise me, because I do believe Clinton wanted Saddam gone. He just didn't want to alienate half of his political base while doing it, which also doesn't surprise me.

Its nice to finally have a president that is honest and gets to the point. Keep up the good work, W.






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when I say he wants to become a dictator (look up the meaning) It says "An absolute ruler.
As long as you actually believe that crap the leftists feed you, I'm afraid you'll never understand anything that our President does or believes. Just when did defending your populace from a verifiable threat make you a dictator?

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I'm sorry if the US is the first country to use a Nuclear Weapon, I will loose all faith in you the Bush's integrity to run a country.
Actually the US IS the first and only country to ever use a nuclear weapon in war. It saved an estimated 1 million US servicemen from death via an assault on Japan in WWII and ended the war.

The fact that you actually suspect that our government would use nuclear weapons in this conflict tells me you've got a lot to learn about America and her people...
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Another Canadian checking in here, in full agreement with The Deuce and Hammer, and also very ashamed that Canada isn't adamant about supporting the US like Britain is.

About the nuke comment, let's keep in mind that the coalition forces are after Saddam and his government, not the people of Iraq. Otherwise there wouldn't be an effort for minimilization of civilian involvement, medical, economic, and food relief on the way to the Iraqi people once the leadership has been removed, nor discrimination for precise MILITARY targeting.

If I could lend a hand I would, but for now I guess I just have to lend moral support. Yippee kay-ay!
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I have traveled to many different countries, and there is a large amount of Anti-American sentiment out there, which is no secret.

After witnessing this, and asking why to the very people who posses it, and listening to comments like the ignorant ones made here, I have come to one conclusion.

Other people in other countries are simply jealous of our power. There doesnt seem to be any other logical explanation, other than the bullcrap from the left, which we all know is just that, bullcrap.
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Old 03-20-2003, 09:18 AM   #26
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I know the US won't use Nuclear weapons in Iraq... but this war may very well spread to more then just Iraq. North Korea is sitting watching right know, knowing they are next. North Korea isn't a small country. As for WWII a Nuclear weapon was used and I don't believe anyone really had much knowledge of that weapon at the time. If the US wanted too they could destroy half of Europe in 15 seconds. And you know Canada will join this war, like most things, US blows everything up, Canada goes there and helps re-build it. I'm 18 and if Canada joined this war, I would go fight for my country in a second (if they needed me ), but the fact is Chretien felt that Canada had no place in fighting in Iraq. Ohh... well the bombing has begun, and what used to be Iraq will soon be a big parking lot. I just hope they get rid of Saddam quickly at this point.

Sorry if I have offended anyone in my comments, but on how the United States of America was building (along with Canada) it is a free country, and we are all left with the right to believe in what we feel. Some are pro war, some arn't. Really at this point, I just want Saddam (and his 'army') destroyed, and maybe make this a less evil world to live in.

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Other people in other countries are simply jealous of our power. There doesnt seem to be any other logical explanation, other than the bullcrap from the left, which we all know is just that, bullcrap.
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Really at this point, I just want Saddam (and his 'army') destroyed, and maybe make this a less evil world to live in.
This is precisely what we are doing right now!!! What about this don't you understand, Sam?

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This is precisely what we are doing right now!!! What about this don't you understand, Sam?

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The part where villages are being destroyed, and the part about thousands of innocent people being killed cause of it. That is all....

And I was out for lunch today and heard that Canada has agreed to help build Iraq once the US is finished leveling it. =) Pretty funny cause I mentioned that was what we were probably going to do anyway. lol
What a world we live in. lol

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The part where villages are being destroyed, and the part about thousands of innocent people being killed cause of it. That is all....

And I was out for lunch today and heard that Canada has agreed to help build Iraq once the US is finished leveling it. =) Pretty funny cause I mentioned that was what we were probably going to do anyway. lol
What a world we live in. lol

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You are looking at worst case scenarios. War sucks, I agree. It doesn't change the fact that is must be done, that Saddam himself is sacrificing his people to save his own behind. His soldiers are boobytrapping oil wells, the number one source of wealth for his country.

We need to get in and out as fast as possible, to prevent catastrophic collateral damage. It may kill 1,000 or even 10,000 innocent Iraqi's, but if we didn't their death toll could be 100,000 easily, or much much more. That is the reality being faced today.

It doesn't suprise me that Canada is up to help rebuild. It is to any countries economic advantage to do so. The oil in Iraq is immense. What frustrates me, is the humanitarian pretext to people volunteering, after thirty some odd countries sacraficed to liberate the land.

That is all, for now.
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The part where villages are being destroyed, and the part about thousands of innocent people being killed cause of it. That is all....

And I was out for lunch today and heard that Canada has agreed to help build Iraq once the US is finished leveling it. =) Pretty funny cause I mentioned that was what we were probably going to do anyway. lol
What a world we live in. lol

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In case your living in a box, the US has not leveled much of anything yet, and is taking exactly the opposite strategy in this war so far, for obvious reasons.
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You can call my remarks about the use of nukes whatever you want.
First of all I wasn't saying that we should use them now since we have allied forces and US troops over there already.(Be reall)
We used them in Japan in WWII. Why would it have been so bad now to use them in Iraq?
The entire country of Japan wasn't against America during the war
but we still dropped them though. It saved tens of thousands of American lives by dropping those bombs instead of a land invasion, which was originally considered.
Same holds true for Iraq. No, not all of them are anti-American but war isn't supposed to be pretty.
If Iraq had the chance, they wouldn't hesitate to drop one on us and kill our civilians. We should all be thankful about that!!
I know we are not going to use nukes but what the hell do we have them for......to launch them back at whomever uses them on us first...after it's too late???
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You can call my remarks about the use of nukes whatever you want.
First of all I wasn't saying that we should use them now since we have allied forces and US troops over there already.(Be reall)
We used them in Japan in WWII. Why would it have been so bad now to use them in Iraq?
The entire country of Japan wasn't against America during the war
but we still dropped them though. It saved tens of thousands of American lives by dropping those bombs instead of a land invasion, which was originally considered.
Same holds true for Iraq. No, not all of them are anti-American but war isn't supposed to be pretty.
If Iraq had the chance, they wouldn't hesitate to drop one on us and kill our civilians. We should all be thankful about that!!
I know we are not going to use nukes but what the hell do we have them for......to launch them back at whomever uses them on us first...after it's too late???
Wow! Where do I start on this one? First off, Atomic bombs were used on Japan as a deterrant to the Japanese military forces. It was a dificult decision, but in the end it probably saved the lives of countless numbers of Allied troops and Japanese troops. Unfortunately the price was civilian casualties and a slow death in some cases. The reason the second atomic bomb was dropped is because the Japanese military leaders would have probably dismissed the first bomb as a fluke. There was no denying it when "Fat Man" dropped on Nagasaki. If Harry Truman could have gotten away without dropping either one of them, he would have.

Do you think the entire country of Iraq is against us now? Do you think they enjoy living under a tyranical dictator? Hell, some of the soldiers won't even fight for him. He has a "Special" Republican Guard to protect him in case the actual Republican Guard and regular army revolt against his leadership.

This battle is against Saddam and NOT the civilians. I'm all for taking out Saddam and I realize civilian casulaties are a reality and some of them deservidly so, but the less death the better.

The Iraqi dictator wouldn't hesitate to drop a nuke on us. That is true. But I'm sure not all the people would be in favor of that. But then again, that is why we are there. To disarm and remove Saddam and spread some freedom while we are at it.



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That's how I view the whole situation. Iraqis have suffered under this mind-washing butthole cancer long enough. The reasons for which some side with him, I really REALLY don't know and most likely never will. Whether it's religious reasons, anti-American sentiment, fear or what, I can't fathom. However, we are doing the right thing. It's too bad the world won't realize this until after it's over. The worst part is we won't get a "thank you," a "kiss my arse," nothing. It'll just be back to business as usual: the United States policing the world like a guardian, and the whole time everyone complaining what tyrants we are. And how we shouldn't poke our noses into everything....the whole time asking for more money and food to feed their starving people.

It's like a kid complaining that their folks are bad parents, ya know? Without the parents, the kid would go without food and shelter.

Anyhoo, the reason we have nukes? Yes, almost completely a deterrant. I think it'd be psycho to actually use ONE, let alone thousands with each one having many MANY times the destructive power of the original two. I think I was told one time that if a nuke was dropped on Detroit that cities as far away as Toledo would be damaged badly. I hope that we never get that far as to resort to them. Again, it's just a deterrant. Imagine, though, if we disarmed tomorrow. Do you realize how quickly we'd all be dead? Many nations now have nukes, and to lose them all would be perilous to us all, indeed the rest of the world. I think in a way that if even ONE is launched, given the right circumstances, they will ALL be launched. Thus ending existance as we all know and love it.
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You can call my remarks about the use of nukes whatever you want.
First of all I wasn't saying that we should use them now since we have allied forces and US troops over there already.(Be reall)
We used them in Japan in WWII. Why would it have been so bad now to use them in Iraq?
The entire country of Japan wasn't against America during the war
but we still dropped them though. It saved tens of thousands of American lives by dropping those bombs instead of a land invasion, which was originally considered.
Same holds true for Iraq. No, not all of them are anti-American but war isn't supposed to be pretty.
If Iraq had the chance, they wouldn't hesitate to drop one on us and kill our civilians. We should all be thankful about that!!
I know we are not going to use nukes but what the hell do we have them for......to launch them back at whomever uses them on us first...after it's too late???
When we dropped nukes on japan it was 50 years ago, and the first time they were used.

The world is a completely different place now, and nukes are considered taboo. We dont want anyone to use them on us, so the logic goes we wont use them on you eithier.

Why do you think there are so many "nuclear reduction" treatys, and what not.......to reduce them and hopefully no-one will ever use one.

To drop one on iraq would be completely uncool and completely unecessary.
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right, having Nukes are like insurance that no one will use them on us. I pray that they are never EVER used.
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The "shock and awe" campaign seems to be getting the job done anyways.
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