24 Hours... and IT'S ON....

[Hammer]

Finally, it looks like the gloves come off in 24 hours to finish what we started 12 years ago...

Time to kiss your #$$ goodbye Saddam!

It's time for a FREE IRAQ!

Bomb Saddam - Cool...

[82 GT]

I'm all for it too!!
Lets get it on!! If they want a fight, then a fight is what they are going to get. Iraq has no idea what they are in for.
I still think we should drop two nukes like we did in Japan in WWII and be done with it.....over...done.....let's go home now!!
I also say to hell with France too. The next time Germany wants to invade them, then wer should tell them"Too Bad" since you won't help us!!
We had to kick the Germans out of France twice and they have to balls to tell us they won't help us when we need it....screw them.
I, myself, like the "cowboy" approach we are taking towards the world. It's about time time too!!
I hope North Korea will be watchinig this war too so that they will see what could happen to them next if they aren't careful.
I wouldn't even wait until the 48 hrs is up. I would just go right now and take them by surprise like we were on 9/11

[1969Mach1]

Originally posted by 82 GT
I still think we should drop two nukes like we did in Japan in WWII and be done with it.....over...done.....let's go home now!!

It's a coment like that, that I am proud to be a Canadian and proud to backup Jean Chretien on not joining this war. Sorry to say, but I believe there are many other ways to get Saddam out of Iraq without creating a war. Don't be surprised if this war spreads to more then just Iraq. The US has open a new hate for themselves, a new opening for more terrorist attacks.

-Sam.

[Hethj7]

Originally posted by 1969Mach1
It's a coment like that, that I am proud to be a Canadian and proud to backup Jean Chretien on not joining this war. Sorry to say, but I believe there are many other ways to get Saddam out of Iraq without creating a war. Don't be surprised if this war spreads to more then just Iraq. The US has open a new hate for themselves, a new opening for more terrorist attacks.

-Sam.

I will agree with you that nukes are not the answer. There is no need to hurt civilains in Iraq. However, I am behind my country 100% on this decision. The time is now to go in there and take care of business before we have a bigger problem on our hands. I also think this can be done quickly and hopefully with a minimal loss of lives.

Reports are that some Iraqi soldiers are already trying to surrender. Wow, they must have a great life over there if they already want to give up. I think many of the Iraqi people welcome a change of power in their country.

UN resolutions dating back to the Gulf War time authorizes this action. Iraq is the one not complying with the UN. The US finally is taking action, as it should.

People applauded Iraq when they began destroying some of their missiles....but, aren't these the same missiles they said they did not posses?

And, reports say now that Hussein has authorized his troops to use bio and chemical weapons. Mmmm, could these be the same weapons that Iraq said it didn't posses ?

And, as I am wathcing TV now,they are talking about how Saddam has used plastic shredders on his own people . As is stated by a witness to these events, " Some men were dropped in head first and died quickly. Others went in feet first and died screaming."

Yea, let's just sit back a while longer and let this type of lying and cruelty continue.

[Crazy Horse GT]

sam are you turning french on us, lol, all you have to say to the french is sieg hiel & they drop thier weapons and surrender, come on, dont be a wuss, i say let us kick some wacky iraqi azz, they should have let us 12 years ago, joking with ya sam, but come on this idiot has been f------- with the stupid un for 12 years. AMERICA, LET'S ROCK IRAQ.

[The Deuce]

Originally posted by 1969Mach1
It's a coment like that, that I am proud to be a Canadian and proud to backup Jean Chretien on not joining this war. Sorry to say, but I believe there are many other ways to get Saddam out of Iraq without creating a war. Don't be surprised if this war spreads to more then just Iraq. The US has open a new hate for themselves, a new opening for more terrorist attacks.

-Sam.

Bite me you freaking Canuck.

It's these ignorat, "there must be another way" posts that really piss me off. Is there another way, WTF is it then?

Should we appease a mass murderer who slaughters his own people to test weapons? Should we sit on our hands and beg the UN to pull their heads out, while he makes more biological weapons?

There comes a time when you have to stop pussyfooting around an idea and take care of business. Sure, it'd be nice if we could just remove Saadam. It ain't gonna happen. There are going to be innocent people killed in Iraq. There is no question. The Iraqi army is planning on using human shields, and try to lure the fighting near civilian targets in hopes that the US will back away.

Guess what? The blood of their countrymen will be on their own heads. We want one thing, to remove Saadam. We are not leaving, and we are not stopping until he's dead. If they want to get kids, women, babies etc killed in the process, that's gonna happen.

When this is all over, and we are rebuilding a free Iraq, you can bet your chapped northern arse that the US will not forget who failed to help us. France and Germany are afraid of something, but its the wrong thing. They need to be afraid of a world where the US will not back them, and come to their aide.

You have no idea how bad an idea it is to suggest that we brought the events of 9/11 on ourselves, or that we are asking for some more by removing a dictator from power. You are very lucky your nothing more than an ignorant little kid, who lives 3,000 miles away. If someone out here said that to my face, they'd be picking up what's left of their teeth.

I've got a lot of friends over there, waiting for word to get it on. Do you honestly think we would drop a nuke on Iraq? It would go against all of our international policies regarding nuclear warfare.

You outline a plausable way to remove Saadam from power without war, and I'll listen. Until then, keep your mouth shut.

[MidNiteBlu 5.0]

I agree with everything Mike just said

[TruBluePony]

As do I........In reality we don't need your help or your permission. And if Canada offered help militarily we would probably turn it down because your antiquated forces would slow us down thereby placing our own troops lives in danger.
I hope this kind of action is repeated in the future with Iran, North Korea and any other nation on this planet that refuses to live in peace or to treat it's citizens humanely.
The United States is sending the rest of the world a message: we will defend our Country and citizens against attack from aggression whereever it appears and we don't need your help or permission. And if you don't like it, tough ****.

[Hammer]

Wow Deuce...
A little more direct than I would have put it, but correct none the less.

I love how the opposition loves to say there "must" be another way after 12 years, 18 resolutions, and a broken cease fire, but none of them ever comes up with a viable solution to remove the threat.

I have the greatest respect for my Canadian brothers and sisters, and they do have the right to disagree.

But the words coming out of some Canadian diplomats toward my Commander In Chief is nothing short of straight up disrespect and hate. After years of friendship through the 20th century, some members of your government throw a hissy fit over one disagreement.

I really appreciate it...

If you're not with us, fine.

But one thing to consider is something that may be related down the road:
One American and two Canadian civilians were killed in Yemen yesterday.
Their Canadian ID cards didn't save them....

[cyberstang5.0]

Good post Deuce!!! You took the words out of my mouth. I'm with Deuce on this one!

[Kevin Price]

I agree with Deuce on this one as well. War is the last option, and in this case it is the only option. I too am sick and tired of all the "the inspections are working" and "give peace a chance" BS from all of the folks being fooled by the antics of Saddam. It's a game he is playing, and has been playing for quite some time now.

What do you suggest, more inspections? You said there are "many" different ways to get Saddam ousted without war. All I am asking for is 1, shouldn't be too hard.


The liberation of Iraq is enough to justify the ousting of Hussein. I sincerely hope that when we do go in we find a plethora of weapons of mass destruction that Saddam has been hiding. When we do let us, and those who have stood by us, wave the single-finger salute to the opposition, who I am sure will be among the first to have their hands out to reap the benefits of a liberated Iraq.

[Rice Hunter]

Why should the rest of the world care, they aren't the ones being tortured and slaughtered. They aren't the country that has assigned rape rooms for the people in power. The US is stupid for actually CARING about other people in other countries. Our bad.
This wide spread anti-Americanism is not just about Iraq, it's far more than that. Over the centuries, dominant empires flourished and died out. Though Britain owned a huge chunk of the world at one point, they were neither the richest or the most militarily powerful. All other great civilizations/empires had a balance of power somewhere else in the world. America is different. We are the only power. No one could stand against us. What we do, though for the best interest of other countries, is of our own free will. We consider the UN's opinions, but we really don't need to. That scares the living CRAP out of the rest of the world. Iraq causing this wide spread anti-Americanism? No I don't think so....it's fear and jealousy....

My 0.2 cents

[Hyper92GT]

Well I for one am embarrased to be Canadian today.
I am all for taking him out with minimal civilian casualties.
Do not brand all Canadians as no one I know agrees with our
fearless leader, other than that I am as proud to be Canadian as you Americans. I love my freedom, higher education and fellow americans.

That being said we may not have military forces but as history has proved we are very efficent at peacekeeping and cleanup...which i beleive our PM has iterated he would help with the rebuilding.

We also comprise over 20% of your international trade, so monetarily we are not so small.
Easy guys...we are are fellow humans (and Stang lovers) lets take out the bastard!!
later
Mike

[Dark_5.0]

Originally posted by 1969Mach1
It's a coment like that, that I am proud to be a Canadian and proud to backup Jean Chretien on not joining this war.

-Sam.

Yeah and we are glad you are a Canadian too. Lord knows there is enough liberal wimps in th US without importing them from Canada.

When the terrorist bombed the US. The arab countries were celebrating.

The smiles are gone now buddy

[1969Mach1]

I never said I agree with what the Saddam is doing... the answer to get him out of Iraq is kill him. You are talking about killing innocent people in order to kill him. What better are you if you are killing innocent people. Isn't the whole point of this not to kill them? And the US has gone ahead and said after we're done for Iraq we're going for North Korea. Don't be surprised if they join in on this war. And I was first commenting on the ignorant comment on droping a nuke on Iraq. Deuce you make a very good point, but you lose alot on your maturity on your statement to bite you cause I don't agree with you. I'm sorry but when the americans wonder why does the world hate us (I use that loosely cause not everyone hates the US) it's the fact that you guys feel that we're going agaisnt you if we don't believe in the same things you do and don't offer to help. Canada does not agree with what the US is doing, so be it. We said we just don't want a part of it, not that we're going to go against you. Bush wants to become a dictator.

What does it take to send assins into Iraq and just take out Saddam. If it was your family in Iraq that would be a part of the group that would die, how would you feel? If you came home today and your family was dead because a country leader on the other side of the world believes the only way to solve this situation is to bomb the living ****** out of there country. or if the US dropped 2 nukes (as someone suggested would be a good idea) and that could kill everyone in that country... yeh there is an idea...I'm sorry but you tell me what you would be thinking.

Didn't think whole thing start because they wanted them to get rid of weapons of mass destruction? Ohh... well, hate me if you want. I still believe the US is a great country, but maybe you should calm down on your pro war theory. I don't believe Canada has any part of this war, they just said they don't agree, so be it. What the hell would Canada do anyway, we'd send our 5 boats and 3 planes.


-Sam.

[The Deuce]

Sam-
1. Have you ever planned an assaination? It's a little harder than having a few guys drive into Bagdad and doing a driveby. Besides, that is the goal, and what makes you think special ops isn't going to plan that tonight? He's not an easy guy to find.

2. Australia sent 2,000 troops. Doesn't take the enitre nation to show support. Just send us some of what you've got. A show of good faith.

3. Bush does not want to become a dictator. Is protecting your nations, and by doing so Canada's freedom, dictatorial? Last time I checked dictators were about less freedom, not more. It really is comments like that one that set me off.

4. I told you to bite me, not because you disagreed, but because you implied that we're asking for it. Coniser this, what if someone came into your house and killed your family. You'd go after them right? Now by doing so, are you inviting them to kill your neighbors? No, you're just serving up a nice helping of justice, since the courts are impotent to do anything about it.

5. If (when) innocent people in Iraq die, it will be due to Saddam's refusal to obey international orders. We have told him time and again to cooperate, now we told him to leave. He know's were coming and what we want. That's considerably different than just a suprise attack.

If he would have obeyed the terms set up in '91, NONE of this would be necessary. We are not going in as a conquiring force, but a liberating army. Just like when we remove Hitler.

Sometimes you just have to do what must be done. Such is the case today, and the clock is ticking.

[Hammer]

Conservative rebuttle mode ON....

What does it take to send assins into Iraq and just take out Saddam.

I really do wish it were that easy. It would take about 20 minutes to order a SEAL team or Delta Force to go in and assasinate Saddam, his sons, and the key members of his regime. Unfortunately, unlike some statements from the UN, that truly IS an illegal and immoral act according to all countries, and I also believe it was mentioned in the Geneva Convention. If you think the US is drawing criticism now, the backlash from a maneuver such as that would be mind boggling.

Nope, we have to do it the old fashioned way. Any troops that don't want to be involved can surrender. Any civilians that don't want to be involved can stay out of the way.

You act as though we're going to go in TARGETING non-combatants, did anyone not learn ANYTHING in '91. While there will always be civilian deaths in ANY type of engagement, the Iraqi civilian death toll was EXTREMELY low. In fact, the highest loss of civilian life occurred when Saddam created a "bomb shelter" out of the second floor of a military co-ordination center in Baghdad.

If anyone cares about Iraqi civilians, it certainly isn't Saddam Hussein. He's killed over 100,000 civilians during his rule.... Where was the world then? Where were the "Think of the children" signs?

I'm sorry but when the americans wonder why does the world hate us

Correction... why are the French such a-holes....
At last count, there were 34 countries in the "coalition of the willing", I would hardly call that unilateral.

Bush wants to become a dictator.

That is one of the most assanine things I've ever heard.
Do you TRULY believe that statement?. Do you REALLY think that US troops in stormtrooper uniforms are going to take over the world, rape the women, and kill the innocent for the sheer enjoyment of it? Give me a ******* break....

Didn't think whole thing start because they wanted them to get rid of weapons of mass destruction?

The whole thing started when Saddam Hussein and his regime threatened to take over a LARGE percentage of the middle east's oil supply in 1991. In the process he managed to take over a small country and threaten his "friends" in Saudi Arabia.... You didn't hear the Saudi Arabians screaming "infadel" when we came to save their asses did you?

As part of the cease fire agreement after the Gulf War, Iraq agreed to destroy any and all weapons of mass destruction in their inventory, among other things. The regime's failure to comply has resulted in the continuation of an embargo, a no-fly-zone, 18 UN resolutions, and the latest BS that I'm about to have to pay for.

This is no one's fault other than Saddam Hussein and his regime.
In my opinion and in the opinion of my Commander in Chief, he is a threat to the middle east, a threat to the United States, and a threat to the world. (Even France and Canada)

I'm sorry if you don't agree, luckily for me the security of my country doesn't depend on the United Nations.

[TruBluePony]

good job Hammer and Duece,

I was going to reply as well but it appears you two have hit every point on the head.

[Stang_Crazy]

Maybe Deuce could be Hammer's running mate in 04?

Excellent points made by both of you. The hammer (no pun intended ) drops in less than 3 hours. God bless the brave men and women fighting for justice and for our freedom. God bless.

[302 LX Eric]

I'm just going to add a few of my comments.

- There are ~30 countries 'of the willing' that have come forward with their support in one form or another. Then, there are another 15 that have pledged 'private' support.

- France has had an agenda from day one to be considered one of the big players in world politics. Well, they succeeded for about 3-4 weeks until the USA had enough of their Saddam leg-humping antics and decided (and rightly so) to step in with ACTION. They are a fifth-rate country...at best and Chiraq knows it. Chiraq will come out of this looking like an idiot when Saddam either 1) makes the GRAVE mistake of using WMD on our troops or 2) our troops go in an find a boat load of WMDs that he's professed he didn't have. What's more, is that this entire debacle will only hurt France in the short-term both economically and politically.

- FOX News had a banner running last night that stated that France had decided that if the US finds WMD after we go in, well, then they'll support us. UNBELIVABLE! This makes my stomach turn.

- UN Resolution 1441 passed unanomisly - which essentially acknowledges Saddam's need to come clean and disarm or face 'serious' consequences. He had over 11 years to comply with several other UN resolutions and HE decided not to. Then 1441, and AGAIN, Saddam chose NOT to comply. And don't tell me that destroying a few Al-sumud missles is complying - because it isn't even close.

- Saddam's time has run out and now he will face a wrath like none other. Yes, there will be innocent casualties, but that is the price of freedom - and we've incurred more than our share of young men and women in the name of freedom.

- Let's not forget that freedom should be the most basic of human rights.

Now go get 'em boys!!!

God Bless America, our Troops and our Leadership.

E