I have to feel for some of the Afghans

Unit 5302 · 09-15-2001, 02:47 PM

This is a time of crisis for the Afghani's as well. A great majority of their people are in terrible fear of the United States bombing them into oblivion.

In the capital city they are fleeing from their homes with their evil and terrible leaders telling them to stay and die proud. Many cannot afford to leave. I read where a doctor there went to stock up on all the food he could afford to buy. An extra pound of beans. So he will return to his family of 5 children and await our response.

Here's part of the article

Quote:

``These days, every night we sit by the radio and listen to the reports. We are afraid but don't have the money to leave,'' said Zabiullah, a Kabul doctor and father of five.

Like many residents, he waited in line at a shop to stock up on food, in this case a pound of beans.

``Whatever happens, I leave myself and my children in the hands of God. This is a city of beggars,'' he said. ``We can only hope that the United States will not bomb us. We pray.''

Prices for basic foodstuffs have risen by 10 percent or more since Tuesday, making it even more difficult than usual for people to afford them.

``This morning a man came to me, gave me the watch he was wearing and asked for some rice,'' said Kabul shopkeeper Mohammed Sarwar. ``People have been coming with their belongings and asking for food in return.''

It's too bad the people have to suffer, but it's their own fault for allowing their leadership to continue as it has. I have always been especially upset by people starving. I hate it when people go hungry. Everything else I'm pretty much not bothered by. Now they must accept the punishment, whatever it is for allowing the tierany to continue.

95mustanggt · 09-15-2001, 02:55 PM

I agree it is sad. I'm sure that not all of them hate Americans either. It is why we have to strike at the governments and terroists themselves. Innocent people will have to die (Innocent is a relative term here). My wife said that there are children in Terrorist camps that are being raised to hate Americans, to become suicide terrorists! What are we going to do with people like these. I'm sure there are women and others that are so against Americans that they would give there lives just to cause us pain. It is quite sad really, what are supposed to do with people like that?

When the retaliation happens, I hope the military tries to avoid hurting these people, but if they turn and try to attack us too, then maybe we'll have to attack them in defence.

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09-15-2001, 03:57 PM

as a war vet at first when we went into iraq i wanted to shoot any towelhead moving but after a few month's i almost ,really felt sorry for the civilian's there they were starving i started, giving my extra food to children with their ribs showing but then again i never knew if that same kid might not have a grenade strapped to him or her it is bad that their gov't brainwashe's them , but i could'nt see a kid go hungry .but look at what benny boy did to our innocent people they should hand him & his goon's over to us if they really want to save their a$$.

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Mr 5 0 · 09-17-2001, 06:47 PM

The sentiments you guys have posted are a good example of the difference between the radical Islamic terrorists and Americans.

While our soldiers will go into enemy territory with a job to do, the radical Islamic terrorists see any American; civilian, women, child, office worker, whatever, as the 'enemy' who must die. No mercy. No sympathy. To them, no one is innocent. All Americans are enemies and all must die. Pure unadultered hate not tempered with mercy, much less reason.

No, I don't wish to see hapless civilians killed in Afganistan but they cannot escape what the leaders choose to do. They harbor and help a murderous terrorist who vows death to the West and uses trusting people who believe his twisting of the Islamic religion to justify random killing of equally innocent civilians. Bin Laden and his henchmen as well as many other Arabs danced in the street and cheered over the WTC/Pentagon plane-bombings.
Never forget who we are dealing with.

I applaud the manifestations of compassion and deceny expressed in this (and other) threads but I caution against getting too sentimental over our sworn enemies. They hate us and our way of life. Don't forget it.

This is war, not some U.N. peacekeeping mission, as we all should realize by now.
It won't be pretty. People die in war. 5000 have already...all civilians on September 11, 2001 in New York City and Washington, D.C. as well as in a field in Pennsylvania.

We must not become like the Islamic terrorists but we must also never forget what happened on September 11. I won't.

RAGE_5.0 · 09-17-2001, 07:17 PM

yeah at first i wanted them all to die but that was the initial rage(hey thats my name=)
but now being sensible and not as pissed off i feel sorrey for a lot of thew ones that don't hate americans and for the middle eastern ppl living in the us and getting harrased

i think mr 5.0 said it best(he always says it the best..he must be edumacated)

JAMES

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PKRWUD · 09-17-2001, 08:49 PM

Yes and no. I feel for the citizens, but that's been the case for quite a while now. They force their women to live in a complete hell. They aren't even allowed healthcare. I wasn't pleased that they took it upon themselves to destroy ancient artifacts because they didn't jive with their religious beliefs. They are a bunch of assholes, and any populous that just accepts that doesn't get alot of compassion or sympathy from me.

Sorry.

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Unit 5302 · 09-17-2001, 09:59 PM

Now you are speaking of the Taliban. The religious leaders with their stranglehold over the Afghani's. I have no sympathy, nor would I have remorse if we annihilated them all. I am very anti-religious because of the strong feelings around it. The desire of one people to destroy another based solely on an opinion of where we come from.

I would rather judge a people based on their actions. In this case, shamelessly attacking innocent civilians so that they could prove some point.

If you think that I have forgotten what they have done, or that I somehow have sympathy for the people who did this, you are sorely mistaken. I would kill them with my own hands if given the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind the people who have carried out this attack are beyond redemption, there is no viable alternative to their destruction, no matter what the cost is.

As I stated in my original post, it's too bad that the people must suffer, but they have allowed their current leadership to continue on, and now, they must pay the penalty for their indirect part of this attack.

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09-17-2001, 11:09 PM

Realize that we are 'allowed' to have freedom of thought and actions. If we didn't then we could be just like the innocent in Afganistan, afraid to do anything against the government, if the thought ever even crossed our minds. It is the world they know, all they know. Just as this world of freedom is all I know and now, I just can't live without it. Action must be taken and it will. I agree with you Unit, I feel remorse already, sadden that innocent people must die. The world is an imperfect place.

I just very recently realized the freedom I have taken for granted because I never had to worry about it. As I said earlier, I just can't live without it. If some innocent have to die to restore freedom to the world, we really have no choice.

Unless we can go in and 'deal with' who needs to be dealt with on small operatives, I see no reason to send more innocent Americans(or other allies) to a certain death. Good thing it isn't up to me, alot of those folks wouldn't even of had the chance to go and get those pounds of beans(I really don't mean to sound heartless, I'm really not).

Mach 1 · 09-18-2001, 09:15 AM

Everybody is assuming we are going to bomb Afghanistan into a parking lot, and are feeling sorry for thier innocent citizens. If there really are any innocent, non american hating people over there, I really dont know for sure, maybe their all brain washed.

Anyway, I really dont think this kind of attack is going to happen.

So we turn Afghan into a parking lot? Then what? What did we accomplish? Did we remove the terrorist threat? No, we did not. I think our leaders know this and are considering thier options very carefully.

Im looking for some covert special forces strikes on terrorist camps and terrorist leader assasinations, as well as maybe some light bombing runs from aircraft carrier based fighter/bomber type aircraft.

I dont expect a huge ground force build-up like the Gulf War, but, time will tell.

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302 LX Eric · 09-20-2001, 11:38 AM

And don't forget what happened to the former Soviet Union. They went into Afganistan in 1979 thinking that these nomadic people would be a push over for a superpower. Well, ask them 10 years later what happened - they left Afganistan after much bloodshed and lost site of why they were they and what their objectives were.

I trust that our military will make appropriate decisions on how/when/where to strike. This has got to be one of the most difficult "battle plans" to assemble. This isn't like storming a beach or taking over a critical locale - and the answer is not just bin Laden. It is so much more than that. The intricacies of this enemy we call terrosim are difficult to uncover and put a stop to. It's not like you're going to see a little white flag pop out of the top of a fox hole.

As President Bush put it, why do we want to fire 2 million dollar missles at a $10 tent that has no one in it?

God Bless America!
Eric

09-20-2001, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 302 LX Eric:
And don't forget what happened to the former Soviet Union. They went into Afganistan in 1979 thinking that these nomadic people would be a push over for a superpower. Well, ask them 10 years later what happened - they left Afganistan after much bloodshed and lost site of why they were they and what their objectives were.

Eric

The only reason they won that battle was because WE were funding them!! This is different. That was a superpower against a bunch of hicks with a superpower backing them. This is a bunch of hicks sh!tting thier pants right now! I know someone is on thier side(Saddam I'm sure), but noone is man enough to come right out and say it. Only thing I worry about is Pakistan smiling and shanking hands(hmm.. like Japan before WWII), letting up park our artillary on thier land and having it sabatoged or something to that effect. If that were to happen then I think we would still come out on top. We would then have a definite enemy. I don't think that will happen but you never know..

I see this thing going on for a while but its kinda like having an outlaw in the old west, only this time its a worldwide outlaw. I think those old boys are a bit worried after the speak tonight.. I wouldn't wanna be one of them or the Taliban. They are in for a world of hurt.

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Unit 5302 · 09-20-2001, 11:19 PM

I believe Bush just pointed out tonight that it makes very little sense to fire off a 2 million dollar missile to blow up a 10 dollar tent and some camels butthole. Something to that affect anyway.

We need to kill the taliban. All of them, and Bin Laden. We need to make a brutal demonstration showing what happens to terrorists that screw with us.

jimberg · 09-20-2001, 11:47 PM

One thing that is very important to remember is that the people in Afghanistan are so oppressed that ALL news comes out of the Taliban. Their image of us is what the Taliban wants them to see. Maybe our first bombing runs should be with flyers to inform the people as to what is really happening and why.

My biggest fear is that we will just start bombing them even though the people we are after are hiding out among the refugees amassed on the borders of Iran and Pakistan.

My guess, and my hopes, are that special forces units are already on the ground tracking down specific terrorists and once they locate them they will just take them out. We do need to take out the Taliban, also. They know what bin Laden is and they support his cause which is the same as theirs ... to destroy freedom since freedom allows people to live a life outside of the laws of Islam (The twisted view of Islam that they follow, that is. Calling them Muslims is like calling Nazis and the KKK Christians )

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302 LX Eric · 09-21-2001, 08:29 AM

rbatson - Excellent points. I am still learning about all the history and angles of this conflict. I did not realize the extent of our assistance at that time.

After hearing some of the responses from the Taliban this morning (9/21/2001), I really don't think they understand the magnitude of the retaliation. And I don't mean mass bombings, but the entire operation that is beginning to take shape as we speak. As someone said above, the Taliban and all those that support terrorism are in for a world of hurt. The USA is poised to open up one big can of whoomp a$$ on these cowardly bastards.

E

09-21-2001, 01:30 PM

It's taken so long for us to respond to the 9/11 attack, partly because there's a lot of political chess being played. Although there are plenty of countries condemning the attacks and "siding" w/ the USA, the only 1 so far that is with us as far as leading this extensive war on terrorism is Britain. The other countries, Germany, Israel, India, etc would like to see Bin Laden and the terrorists directly involved in these attacks to "justice", but none want a long drawn out war, they all still have their own agendas and interests w/ the Middle East.

I think that Bush's speach last night was perfect - he said all the right things......he's got one hell of a staff (speach writer included

). We can't bomb every nation where these terrorists are, but what we can do is stop being suckers and funding (monetarily and militarily) all these ****** countries that just want and never give. If it wasn't for us, there'd only be a handful of countries not still living in the stone age. We rebuilt Japan, we rebuilt Germany, we rebuilt France......and none of them are completely in our corner. The U.S. always plays the nice guy. This must stop NOW. If you're not with us, you're against us, and if you're against us......you're cut off.....period!

09-21-2001, 01:32 PM

I don't know how many of you ever heard of this site, but my uncle (recently retired from CIA) told me about it a few years back. It's VERY informative - most of te topics you'll see a day later in the news......check it out: stratfor.com

1965GTO · 09-23-2001, 01:15 AM

50 B1 bombers lined up flying 1000 feet off the ground at 800mph would blow every window out in the country and scare the crap out of them.Do it at night and they wouldn't know it was coming.They turn over bin laden the next day or the next run they unload those rotary bombays!

82 GT · 09-25-2001, 09:22 AM

I think if we are to win this war on terrorism, then we are going to have to do some things we really don't want to do.
This is war!! We CAN NOT go over there with any amount of symathy for civilizans or any other threat we might face over there.
If America was an evil super power, then we could rule the world pretty much. I think we are going to have to turn to the "dark side" a little bit to get most of our objectives accomplished. We are dealing with an enemy that hates every single American. We are going to have to "kick it up a notch" and show our POWER and DETERMINATION.
Right now the president and his staff are doing their "homework" to make the correct plans so we can open up a can of woooop *** on those towel heads.
The last time anyone killed that many Americans in one day we dropped a platonium and then a uranium bomb for good measure!!
Guess what? WWII was done!!!.....finished!!!
I think on December 7, 2001 we should drop the same two bombs on Afghanistan.
We would turn a sad day in our history into a happy day in our history!!!
Thank GOD I am not our president...LOL

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Dark_5.0 · 09-26-2001, 12:22 AM

I think that the U.S. needs to be very carefull. Dont forget that pakistan is a nuclear power, they may not be able to fire nuclear missles but they could have an underground nuke just waiting for america to set up camp above it and take out 10,000 at once.

I think that all of this arab alliance is BS it isnt like they are just offering us there help in every instance we are trading something for there cooperation.

I dont know about ya'll but I dont think that I would trust someone that I paid to be my friend. The Bush administration took way too long to take action the chances of them killing Bin Laden at this point are slim to none and even if they do get him now they have turned him into a Freakin Hero of the Arab world lets face it none of the Arab countries like us and most of them were celebrating when we were attacked.

All of the Arab countries should be viewed as armed and dangerous and we should not be lifting sanctions for they're cooperation.

Afghanistan is in a cival war as it is between the Northern alliance and the Talliban. I say lets arm the Northern Alliance and let them get on the front line and see what they could do if we supported them with air strikes then it wouldnt be the U.S. picking on Afghanistan it would be Afghanistan fighting for its own freedom.

IF SH!T LIKE THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE BEING HIT BY AMERICAN TERRORIST.

If I was president Afghanistan would be an impact crater.

I put a big part of the blame for this on
8 years of defense cuts from BILL (B.J.:rolleyes

Clinton.

Sorry guys had to vent!!

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09-26-2001, 02:34 AM

mr 50 you right on again, at first i kinda felt alittle bit sorry for for the affy's that are some what innocent, but after their statement on tuesday , screw them , qoute- if any attack 's are made against the taliban & bin laden then any american or their ally's are fair game to die ahorrible death , anywhere in the world & we will attack again , screw them, it' time to hammer their sandhead clogged a$$es to their 27 virgin's or whatever their garbage religon iv'e faced them 2 time's they got us the first time , beirut but the second time, we kicked their a$$ in one day it's time to rock.they murdered innocent people just trying to make a buck.sorry i guess i had to vent ,also i really blame all this on our former prez mr intern, aka billary. sorry .democrat's .no dis but he was a wuss.

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09-15-2001, 02:55 PM	#2
95mustanggt Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,875	I agree it is sad. I'm sure that not all of them hate Americans either. It is why we have to strike at the governments and terroists themselves. Innocent people will have to die (Innocent is a relative term here). My wife said that there are children in Terrorist camps that are being raised to hate Americans, to become suicide terrorists! What are we going to do with people like these. I'm sure there are women and others that are so against Americans that they would give there lives just to cause us pain. It is quite sad really, what are supposed to do with people like that? When the retaliation happens, I hope the military tries to avoid hurting these people, but if they turn and try to attack us too, then maybe we'll have to attack them in defence. ... ------------------ 1995 Mustang GT

09-15-2001, 03:57 PM	#3
mustang marty gt Guest Posts: n/a	as a war vet at first when we went into iraq i wanted to shoot any towelhead moving but after a few month's i almost ,really felt sorry for the civilian's there they were starving i started, giving my extra food to children with their ribs showing but then again i never knew if that same kid might not have a grenade strapped to him or her it is bad that their gov't brainwashe's them , but i could'nt see a kid go hungry .but look at what benny boy did to our innocent people they should hand him & his goon's over to us if they really want to save their a$$. ------------------ [This message has been edited by mustang marty gt (edited 09-15-2001).]

09-17-2001, 06:47 PM	#4
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	The sentiments you guys have posted are a good example of the difference between the radical Islamic terrorists and Americans. While our soldiers will go into enemy territory with a job to do, the radical Islamic terrorists see any American; civilian, women, child, office worker, whatever, as the 'enemy' who must die. No mercy. No sympathy. To them, no one is innocent. All Americans are enemies and all must die. Pure unadultered hate not tempered with mercy, much less reason. No, I don't wish to see hapless civilians killed in Afganistan but they cannot escape what the leaders choose to do. They harbor and help a murderous terrorist who vows death to the West and uses trusting people who believe his twisting of the Islamic religion to justify random killing of equally innocent civilians. Bin Laden and his henchmen as well as many other Arabs danced in the street and cheered over the WTC/Pentagon plane-bombings. Never forget who we are dealing with. I applaud the manifestations of compassion and deceny expressed in this (and other) threads but I caution against getting too sentimental over our sworn enemies. They hate us and our way of life. Don't forget it. This is war, not some U.N. peacekeeping mission, as we all should realize by now. It won't be pretty. People die in war. 5000 have already...all civilians on September 11, 2001 in New York City and Washington, D.C. as well as in a field in Pennsylvania. We must not become like the Islamic terrorists but we must also never forget what happened on September 11. I won't.

09-17-2001, 07:17 PM	#5
RAGE_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Leamington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 767	yeah at first i wanted them all to die but that was the initial rage(hey thats my name=) but now being sensible and not as pissed off i feel sorrey for a lot of thew ones that don't hate americans and for the middle eastern ppl living in the us and getting harrased i think mr 5.0 said it best(he always says it the best..he must be edumacated) JAMES ------------------ Black 1990 gt cobra bonestock not for long

09-17-2001, 08:49 PM	#6
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Yes and no. I feel for the citizens, but that's been the case for quite a while now. They force their women to live in a complete hell. They aren't even allowed healthcare. I wasn't pleased that they took it upon themselves to destroy ancient artifacts because they didn't jive with their religious beliefs. They are a bunch of assholes, and any populous that just accepts that doesn't get alot of compassion or sympathy from me. Sorry. Take care ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: JimPorterRacing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. The best tool you'll ever have, and it's free !!!

09-17-2001, 09:59 PM	#7
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Now you are speaking of the Taliban. The religious leaders with their stranglehold over the Afghani's. I have no sympathy, nor would I have remorse if we annihilated them all. I am very anti-religious because of the strong feelings around it. The desire of one people to destroy another based solely on an opinion of where we come from. I would rather judge a people based on their actions. In this case, shamelessly attacking innocent civilians so that they could prove some point. If you think that I have forgotten what they have done, or that I somehow have sympathy for the people who did this, you are sorely mistaken. I would kill them with my own hands if given the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind the people who have carried out this attack are beyond redemption, there is no viable alternative to their destruction, no matter what the cost is. As I stated in my original post, it's too bad that the people must suffer, but they have allowed their current leadership to continue on, and now, they must pay the penalty for their indirect part of this attack. [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 09-17-2001).]

09-17-2001, 11:09 PM	#8
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	Realize that we are 'allowed' to have freedom of thought and actions. If we didn't then we could be just like the innocent in Afganistan, afraid to do anything against the government, if the thought ever even crossed our minds. It is the world they know, all they know. Just as this world of freedom is all I know and now, I just can't live without it. Action must be taken and it will. I agree with you Unit, I feel remorse already, sadden that innocent people must die. The world is an imperfect place. I just very recently realized the freedom I have taken for granted because I never had to worry about it. As I said earlier, I just can't live without it. If some innocent have to die to restore freedom to the world, we really have no choice. Unless we can go in and 'deal with' who needs to be dealt with on small operatives, I see no reason to send more innocent Americans(or other allies) to a certain death. Good thing it isn't up to me, alot of those folks wouldn't even of had the chance to go and get those pounds of beans(I really don't mean to sound heartless, I'm really not).

09-18-2001, 09:15 AM	#9
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Everybody is assuming we are going to bomb Afghanistan into a parking lot, and are feeling sorry for thier innocent citizens. If there really are any innocent, non american hating people over there, I really dont know for sure, maybe their all brain washed. Anyway, I really dont think this kind of attack is going to happen. So we turn Afghan into a parking lot? Then what? What did we accomplish? Did we remove the terrorist threat? No, we did not. I think our leaders know this and are considering thier options very carefully. Im looking for some covert special forces strikes on terrorist camps and terrorist leader assasinations, as well as maybe some light bombing runs from aircraft carrier based fighter/bomber type aircraft. I dont expect a huge ground force build-up like the Gulf War, but, time will tell. ------------------ 1993 GT/AOD '93 Mustang GT

09-20-2001, 11:38 AM	#10
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	And don't forget what happened to the former Soviet Union. They went into Afganistan in 1979 thinking that these nomadic people would be a push over for a superpower. Well, ask them 10 years later what happened - they left Afganistan after much bloodshed and lost site of why they were they and what their objectives were. I trust that our military will make appropriate decisions on how/when/where to strike. This has got to be one of the most difficult "battle plans" to assemble. This isn't like storming a beach or taking over a critical locale - and the answer is not just bin Laden. It is so much more than that. The intricacies of this enemy we call terrosim are difficult to uncover and put a stop to. It's not like you're going to see a little white flag pop out of the top of a fox hole. As President Bush put it, why do we want to fire 2 million dollar missles at a $10 tent that has no one in it? God Bless America! Eric

09-20-2001, 11:19 PM	#12
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I believe Bush just pointed out tonight that it makes very little sense to fire off a 2 million dollar missile to blow up a 10 dollar tent and some camels butthole. Something to that affect anyway. We need to kill the taliban. All of them, and Bin Laden. We need to make a brutal demonstration showing what happens to terrorists that screw with us.

09-20-2001, 11:47 PM	#13
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	One thing that is very important to remember is that the people in Afghanistan are so oppressed that ALL news comes out of the Taliban. Their image of us is what the Taliban wants them to see. Maybe our first bombing runs should be with flyers to inform the people as to what is really happening and why. My biggest fear is that we will just start bombing them even though the people we are after are hiding out among the refugees amassed on the borders of Iran and Pakistan. My guess, and my hopes, are that special forces units are already on the ground tracking down specific terrorists and once they locate them they will just take them out. We do need to take out the Taliban, also. They know what bin Laden is and they support his cause which is the same as theirs ... to destroy freedom since freedom allows people to live a life outside of the laws of Islam (The twisted view of Islam that they follow, that is. Calling them Muslims is like calling Nazis and the KKK Christians ) ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

09-21-2001, 08:29 AM	#14
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	rbatson - Excellent points. I am still learning about all the history and angles of this conflict. I did not realize the extent of our assistance at that time. After hearing some of the responses from the Taliban this morning (9/21/2001), I really don't think they understand the magnitude of the retaliation. And I don't mean mass bombings, but the entire operation that is beginning to take shape as we speak. As someone said above, the Taliban and all those that support terrorism are in for a world of hurt. The USA is poised to open up one big can of whoomp a$$ on these cowardly bastards. E

09-21-2001, 01:30 PM	#15
bada$$lx Guest Posts: n/a	It's taken so long for us to respond to the 9/11 attack, partly because there's a lot of political chess being played. Although there are plenty of countries condemning the attacks and "siding" w/ the USA, the only 1 so far that is with us as far as leading this extensive war on terrorism is Britain. The other countries, Germany, Israel, India, etc would like to see Bin Laden and the terrorists directly involved in these attacks to "justice", but none want a long drawn out war, they all still have their own agendas and interests w/ the Middle East. I think that Bush's speach last night was perfect - he said all the right things......he's got one hell of a staff (speach writer included ). We can't bomb every nation where these terrorists are, but what we can do is stop being suckers and funding (monetarily and militarily) all these ****** countries that just want and never give. If it wasn't for us, there'd only be a handful of countries not still living in the stone age. We rebuilt Japan, we rebuilt Germany, we rebuilt France......and none of them are completely in our corner. The U.S. always plays the nice guy. This must stop NOW. If you're not with us, you're against us, and if you're against us......you're cut off.....period!

09-21-2001, 01:32 PM	#16
bada$$lx Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know how many of you ever heard of this site, but my uncle (recently retired from CIA) told me about it a few years back. It's VERY informative - most of te topics you'll see a day later in the news......check it out: stratfor.com

09-23-2001, 01:15 AM	#17
1965GTO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dupo,ill Posts: 219	50 B1 bombers lined up flying 1000 feet off the ground at 800mph would blow every window out in the country and scare the crap out of them.Do it at night and they wouldn't know it was coming.They turn over bin laden the next day or the next run they unload those rotary bombays!

09-25-2001, 09:22 AM	#18
82 GT Import Slayer Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 2,241	I think if we are to win this war on terrorism, then we are going to have to do some things we really don't want to do. This is war!! We CAN NOT go over there with any amount of symathy for civilizans or any other threat we might face over there. If America was an evil super power, then we could rule the world pretty much. I think we are going to have to turn to the "dark side" a little bit to get most of our objectives accomplished. We are dealing with an enemy that hates every single American. We are going to have to "kick it up a notch" and show our POWER and DETERMINATION. Right now the president and his staff are doing their "homework" to make the correct plans so we can open up a can of woooop *** on those towel heads. The last time anyone killed that many Americans in one day we dropped a platonium and then a uranium bomb for good measure!! Guess what? WWII was done!!!.....finished!!! I think on December 7, 2001 we should drop the same two bombs on Afghanistan. We would turn a sad day in our history into a happy day in our history!!! Thank GOD I am not our president...LOL ------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock

09-26-2001, 12:22 AM	#19
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I think that the U.S. needs to be very carefull. Dont forget that pakistan is a nuclear power, they may not be able to fire nuclear missles but they could have an underground nuke just waiting for america to set up camp above it and take out 10,000 at once. I think that all of this arab alliance is BS it isnt like they are just offering us there help in every instance we are trading something for there cooperation. I dont know about ya'll but I dont think that I would trust someone that I paid to be my friend. The Bush administration took way too long to take action the chances of them killing Bin Laden at this point are slim to none and even if they do get him now they have turned him into a Freakin Hero of the Arab world lets face it none of the Arab countries like us and most of them were celebrating when we were attacked. All of the Arab countries should be viewed as armed and dangerous and we should not be lifting sanctions for they're cooperation. Afghanistan is in a cival war as it is between the Northern alliance and the Talliban. I say lets arm the Northern Alliance and let them get on the front line and see what they could do if we supported them with air strikes then it wouldnt be the U.S. picking on Afghanistan it would be Afghanistan fighting for its own freedom. IF SH!T LIKE THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE BEING HIT BY AMERICAN TERRORIST. If I was president Afghanistan would be an impact crater. I put a big part of the blame for this on 8 years of defense cuts from BILL (B.J.:rolleyes Clinton. Sorry guys had to vent!! [This message has been edited by 5.0 HO (edited 09-26-2001).]

09-26-2001, 02:34 AM	#20
mustang marty gt Guest Posts: n/a	mr 50 you right on again, at first i kinda felt alittle bit sorry for for the affy's that are some what innocent, but after their statement on tuesday , screw them , qoute- if any attack 's are made against the taliban & bin laden then any american or their ally's are fair game to die ahorrible death , anywhere in the world & we will attack again , screw them, it' time to hammer their sandhead clogged a$$es to their 27 virgin's or whatever their garbage religon iv'e faced them 2 time's they got us the first time , beirut but the second time, we kicked their a$$ in one day it's time to rock.they murdered innocent people just trying to make a buck.sorry i guess i had to vent ,also i really blame all this on our former prez mr intern, aka billary. sorry .democrat's .no dis but he was a wuss. ------------------ [This message has been edited by mustang marty gt (edited 09-26-2001).]