Some questions for all you S/C guys

Rosco · 03-19-2002, 01:08 AM

Alright, I'm looking to go the Route of S/C. Couple questions for anyone who has done this or knows about it. I'm thinking of a powerdyne 9psi kit. First off, does anyone know where I could find one of these? I could only find a 6psi kit in jegs. Next question, would this work with my stock motor? The powerdyne says it works good, but would work better with free'er flowing heads and intake, throttle body and such. It said on the powerdyne site that the 9psi kit comes with an in-tank 155 l/hr pump. So i'm looking at either the 6psi or 9psi kit. Does anyone know if both of these are street legal? And what kinda mods would i be looking to do to get the best preformance out of it? thanks alot

03-19-2002, 02:54 AM

Powerdynes have a bad history of internal belts breaking,I'm advising you to look at another supercharger such as

*Vortech-proven very reliable with their gear-drive system

*Paxton-the Novi 1000 is their entry levl blower,gear driven

*Kenne Bell 1500, or the Blowzilla

WADS56 · 03-19-2002, 05:16 AM

I am a ex-supercharged guy so here is my .02

I would not get the powerdyne. You can find the A-trims for just as cheap or cheaper and get a better blower out of the deal.
The kennebell's are the best for the street IMO. You get the power off idle and you can run a low gear like 3.55's and a streetable auto.

drudis · 03-19-2002, 09:08 AM

You're starting the which supercharger thread again...

I picked the S-trim, cause the A-trim wasnt gonna be enough. That, and the fact that I see many of the S-trims on roadrace cars where they beat on these for 20-25 MINUTES (not 11 seconds) at a time!!! THATS DURABILITY!
Thats why my opentrack car got the S-trim and 3 years later, never a problem.

Rosco · 03-19-2002, 09:50 AM

Well what do you guys recommend I should go for with boost? Yeah, I am gonna be putting some 3.55's in there so anything that would run good. Alright, One big question is, what other mods would i hafto make to my engine? it's completely stock as of now?

drudis · 03-19-2002, 09:53 AM

Thats the beauty of the S-trim "kit". You dont NEEEEEED nothin' else.
I installed mine on a totally stock motor with 19K miles on it. Granted, I upgraded to 30# injectors and 80mm MAF reprogrammed for custom chip (to avoid the FMU), but that was something I "wanted" not needed.

Rosco · 03-19-2002, 11:37 AM

Who makes the S-Trims, and how much am I looking to pay for one? Also, for the installation of it, Think it could be a job I could do myself? Or is it something I should leave to a real mechanic? Also, what kind of power gains would I be looking at getting from it on my stock motor? And one last thing, my car has 109k on it...Think I'd have any problems??

drudis · 03-19-2002, 11:43 AM

Go thru www.alternativeauto.com (Metro-Detroit area).

EXCELLENT customer support (maybe not the best price but definitely will answer your questions and work with ya). They opened their box and pulled out the FMU I didnt want and gave me credit for it, right on the spot!

Looking at about 45% increase. So if you are at 200+ rwhp, you'll end up at a wee bit over 300. Mine was 330rwhp with a few minor mods.

NOW I am shooting for a weeeeee bit more (ok 450-500 range).

Rosco · 03-19-2002, 11:47 AM

Oh, 1 more thing. I'm looking at something would gimme some good power, and that's known to hold up, but I don't really want to spend a Ton of money. thanks

ArtMan · 03-19-2002, 06:50 PM

What's a ton of money? If you're considering a reliable supercharger, think $3,200 (installation extra).

You will have to upgrade stock injectors with the S-trim. Everything else is included in the Vortech kit. The S-trim kit on a stock engine will provide about 9 psi.

Get knowledgable help if installing the kit yourself. many of us here are Vortech owners so you can post questions whenever you need to.

Good Luck

Rosco · 03-19-2002, 09:11 PM

Alright, I was loooking at http://www.alternativeauto.com/ at they have a A-Trim S/C for $1799 and then there is a 5.0 HO one..I am thinking this one is the 9psi? It's listed at $2995. There's also a A-Trim to S-Trim Conversion for $697. Then there is also a HO upgrade kit to move it from 5psi to 8psi. that's like $685. What's the differences between those? And If i could get the A-Trim then do the S-Trim conversion...would it basically be the same thing as if i bought the S-Trim? I'm thinking the most i'd spend on one is $3k...A little lower if i could.

ArtMan · 03-19-2002, 09:57 PM

The H.O. kit is the S-trim kit (same thing). When you buy the S-trim kit you get alot of goodies you don't with the A-trim kit. The A-trim kit + $685 upgrade is not equal to the S-trim kit - you still would have to buy more stuff to equal the S-trim kit.

The S-trim kit includes high flow in-line pump, MSD unit, and I think a reversion valve. Visit www.vortechsuperchargers.com for full list.

Procharger also offers a great 9 psi kit about in your price range too, just to complicate matters.

Rosco · 03-19-2002, 10:21 PM

Well actually as of right now, I'd be looking to put one in next summer...And i just wanna do some research and get some opinions before hand. Which I figured is the best to make a good plan.

03-19-2002, 01:08 AM	#1
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Some questions for all you S/C guys Alright, I'm looking to go the Route of S/C. Couple questions for anyone who has done this or knows about it. I'm thinking of a powerdyne 9psi kit. First off, does anyone know where I could find one of these? I could only find a 6psi kit in jegs. Next question, would this work with my stock motor? The powerdyne says it works good, but would work better with free'er flowing heads and intake, throttle body and such. It said on the powerdyne site that the 9psi kit comes with an in-tank 155 l/hr pump. So i'm looking at either the 6psi or 9psi kit. Does anyone know if both of these are street legal? And what kinda mods would i be looking to do to get the best preformance out of it? thanks alot __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

03-19-2002, 05:16 AM	#3
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	I am a ex-supercharged guy so here is my .02 I would not get the powerdyne. You can find the A-trims for just as cheap or cheaper and get a better blower out of the deal. The kennebell's are the best for the street IMO. You get the power off idle and you can run a low gear like 3.55's and a streetable auto. __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

03-19-2002, 09:08 AM	#4
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	You're starting the which supercharger thread again... I picked the S-trim, cause the A-trim wasnt gonna be enough. That, and the fact that I see many of the S-trims on roadrace cars where they beat on these for 20-25 MINUTES (not 11 seconds) at a time!!! THATS DURABILITY! Thats why my opentrack car got the S-trim and 3 years later, never a problem. __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com

03-19-2002, 09:50 AM	#5
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Well what do you guys recommend I should go for with boost? Yeah, I am gonna be putting some 3.55's in there so anything that would run good. Alright, One big question is, what other mods would i hafto make to my engine? it's completely stock as of now? __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

03-19-2002, 09:53 AM	#6
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	Thats the beauty of the S-trim "kit". You dont NEEEEEED nothin' else. I installed mine on a totally stock motor with 19K miles on it. Granted, I upgraded to 30# injectors and 80mm MAF reprogrammed for custom chip (to avoid the FMU), but that was something I "wanted" not needed. __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com

03-19-2002, 02:54 AM	#2
Mustanguy Guest Posts: n/a	Powerdynes have a bad history of internal belts breaking,I'm advising you to look at another supercharger such as Vortech-proven very reliable with their gear-drive system Paxton-the Novi 1000 is their entry levl blower,gear driven *Kenne Bell 1500, or the Blowzilla

03-19-2002, 11:37 AM	#7
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Who makes the S-Trims, and how much am I looking to pay for one? Also, for the installation of it, Think it could be a job I could do myself? Or is it something I should leave to a real mechanic? Also, what kind of power gains would I be looking at getting from it on my stock motor? And one last thing, my car has 109k on it...Think I'd have any problems?? __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

03-19-2002, 11:43 AM	#8
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	Go thru www.alternativeauto.com (Metro-Detroit area). EXCELLENT customer support (maybe not the best price but definitely will answer your questions and work with ya). They opened their box and pulled out the FMU I didnt want and gave me credit for it, right on the spot! Looking at about 45% increase. So if you are at 200+ rwhp, you'll end up at a wee bit over 300. Mine was 330rwhp with a few minor mods. NOW I am shooting for a weeeeee bit more (ok 450-500 range). __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com

03-19-2002, 11:47 AM	#9
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Oh, 1 more thing. I'm looking at something would gimme some good power, and that's known to hold up, but I don't really want to spend a Ton of money. thanks __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

03-19-2002, 06:50 PM	#10
ArtMan Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 45	Horsepower = Money What's a ton of money? If you're considering a reliable supercharger, think $3,200 (installation extra). You will have to upgrade stock injectors with the S-trim. Everything else is included in the Vortech kit. The S-trim kit on a stock engine will provide about 9 psi. Get knowledgable help if installing the kit yourself. many of us here are Vortech owners so you can post questions whenever you need to. Good Luck __________________ See my stang in the "Users Rides" section. Rice Hater's Club Member #225

03-19-2002, 09:11 PM	#11
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Alright, I was loooking at http://www.alternativeauto.com/ at they have a A-Trim S/C for $1799 and then there is a 5.0 HO one..I am thinking this one is the 9psi? It's listed at $2995. There's also a A-Trim to S-Trim Conversion for $697. Then there is also a HO upgrade kit to move it from 5psi to 8psi. that's like $685. What's the differences between those? And If i could get the A-Trim then do the S-Trim conversion...would it basically be the same thing as if i bought the S-Trim? I'm thinking the most i'd spend on one is $3k...A little lower if i could. __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

03-19-2002, 09:57 PM	#12
ArtMan Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 45	From Vortech The H.O. kit is the S-trim kit (same thing). When you buy the S-trim kit you get alot of goodies you don't with the A-trim kit. The A-trim kit + $685 upgrade is not equal to the S-trim kit - you still would have to buy more stuff to equal the S-trim kit. The S-trim kit includes high flow in-line pump, MSD unit, and I think a reversion valve. Visit www.vortechsuperchargers.com for full list. Procharger also offers a great 9 psi kit about in your price range too, just to complicate matters. __________________ See my stang in the "Users Rides" section. Rice Hater's Club Member #225

03-19-2002, 10:21 PM	#13
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Well actually as of right now, I'd be looking to put one in next summer...And i just wanna do some research and get some opinions before hand. Which I figured is the best to make a good plan. __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

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