Will the ls1 take me?

WADS56 · 06-04-2001, 06:58 AM

O.K. my friend bought a 98 camaro with the ls1 and a auto. The first thing that he sad was "I can't wait to kick your stangs a$$". Now I can handle loosing a race thats no big deal, it's just that he knows nothing about cars. He did not even know what a ls1 was for the love of god. I once told him that a Geo storm had a single cilinder motor and he bought it. I need to crush his ego and make him think he lost to a stock mustang.

Now my daily driver is a stock 93lx with a aod. I have a set of ported windsor jr. heads a systemax II intake and a set of shorty headers that I am not using. I was thinking that if I slap that stuff on with a nice little cam I should keep up with him or win. I know the intake would be overkill for my car, but I have it and I don't want to spend money on the 93 for speed.

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SaleenGTS · 06-04-2001, 08:48 AM

More info please. Your Intake should be fine with the ported windsors. If you have a stock aod, then no you will probably lose....the heads,cam,intake combo should be plenty to beat him if you have a good set of gears (3.73/4.10) and a good shift kit.

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Dustin
89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

Chevyguy · 06-04-2001, 08:59 AM

A stone stock 98 Z28 should run 13.5 - 13.8. After a few years a few things may have been bolted on the Z-28 by now, so 13.0 - 13.5 is not out of the question.

I really don't understand the motivation to beat a stock car with a modified car. If both cars were modified and you beat the Camaro it would seem more satisfying to me.

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1BAD89 · 06-04-2001, 12:25 PM

Why don't you see the motivation? It's there! Stock for stock everyone knows the LS1 is faster, it will even beat a new GT. Wouldn't it be nice to just pull away from the LS1 hardcore? Even if you beat your friend, I'm sure he'll have some excuse anyway. I would't worry about it, I would race him in your A-Trim car though! =P

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fiveohpatrol · 06-04-2001, 02:17 PM

chances are if he doesnt know much about cars then he probably isnt a great driver either, so that combined with his auto his Z should run high 13s at the best, this is very easily attainable with your car with the heads and all, but you will want to go with atleast 3.73s to be sure, you saw kevins car go 13.73 with ported stock heads/cam/GT40 intake didnt you? (T-5 though) so it can be done, now go spank that guy and let us know how bad

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88 Notch, 3.73's, Ported E7's, Explorer int. w/ ported lower, pulleys, 1.7RR's, BBK headers, off-road H-pipe, flowmasters, subframe connectors, 65mm TB, shift kit, March ram air ,MSD coil, U/L control arms, 155lph fuel pump, cheap 2800 stall, Crane Adj.FPR, best 1/4--> 13.77@101.35

Violent84 · 06-04-2001, 07:56 PM

Ok listen, I have a 95 Z as well as the 84 Tang and My cousin has a 98 Z with M6 tranny. Some of these LS1 cars run low low 13's stock and some have even reported 12's. I'm not trying to be nasty just tellin ya that w/o gears he is prolly gonna hand you your a$$. You'll need everything you have bolted on the car. Try it dude, if ya lose there's always next time.

later,
Violent

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WADS56 · 06-04-2001, 11:20 PM

chevyguy, the motivation is that I want him to think that he lost to a stock mustang. We have been friends for 13 years and I am his best man. What other motivation would someone need then two friends competing for fun.

saleengts, I agree that if I got a set of gears my chances would be allot better. I just don't want to spend money on this car to make it fast, this is my daily driver. The only reason I am doing this is because I have the parts.

trying to put another one on the board for the mustang.

MiracleMax · 06-05-2001, 12:44 AM

Scary thing about the LS1. Port the heads, put in a little bit bigger cam, bump the compression, add some exhaust, throw a converter in, and do some tuning and its a mid to low 11 second car. Put a 150 shot of nitrous on it and its a low 10 second car!

Oh I've seen it and its not pretty!

Skyman · 06-05-2001, 02:28 AM

Blah blah blah you can do whatever to whatever car.

Basic facts here stock A4 LS1, with a bad driver. Its going to run low 14's at best. Ive seen em at the track trust me. You slap those heads, intake and a cam in there w/ the headers you will beat him. Just drive your car well and kick his *** . You maybe a bit slow off the line w/ that stock AOD, but you can take him. The heads/intake are perfect for each other get a cam that compliments them also. Im thinking the stock TB/MAF are going to hold you back though.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows.
12.55@107mph
50-175 Nitrous Works WET Kit just added.

WADS56 · 06-05-2001, 03:26 AM

I was thinking the same thing about the throtal body and MAF. As far as the cam go's I will be giving comp cams a call and go with a good cam from them allong with some springs. I also have a set of one peice hardned pushrods from comp that I will be using.

Also, anyone have any opinions on Mac's throtal body. I one a gift certificate and they mostly deal with Mac products.

SaleenGTS · 06-05-2001, 08:34 AM

BOTTOM LINE

Trap speed.

The best trap speed I have EVER seen a stock LS1 run was a 107....that was a 98 T/A with a 6M

Since then I have never seen one break 105. Now that is good for mid 13's driving the hell out of those cars because they weigh a good 200-300 lbs more than a fox.

Now the WS-6's and SS's are another story. I have seen those boys run 109's. That is where you need to be careful. My buddy had a 92 LX with a A-Trim pushing 8#, 3.73's and exhaust. He ran door to door with a 01 WS-6. I think his car dynoed around 290 rwhp. I also saw a 99 SS with exhaust dyno I think 309 rwhp. That is 12 second power.

The point is if you want to win you will need atleast the same traps those guys are running.

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Dustin
89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

Chevyguy · 06-05-2001, 08:41 AM

I guess whoopin a friends butt is pretty good motivation

I was thinking more about modifying one car to beat a stock car. If you beat him, "oh yeah I could bolt some stuff on my car too and whoop ya" If you loose, " jees, you spent all that money on your car and still could not catch me, better go buy a blower"

Just winning a race is pretty fun, so that is some motivation too.

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Frank W
90 5.0 LX coupe Daily driver. Silencer removed, K&N filter. Flexalite fan, 3 core radiator. FMS flywheel and Clutch, FMS blue wires Energy Suspension end links
88 Notch 2.3L 5 speed Parts/beater car My two Notchbacks

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Chevyguy · 06-05-2001, 08:47 AM

Arrgh, double posted

[This message has been edited by Chevyguy (edited 06-05-2001).]

WADS56 · 06-05-2001, 11:13 PM

Well I saw my friends car today. Either he got ripped off or he is trying to pull a fast one. When I lifted the hood there was a lt1 in there. I'm not a chevy guy, but I think he has a 97 not a 98 because the car still has the old style head lights not to mention the lt1. I don't think I should have a problem with a 97 camaro if I do the mods I was talking about.

SaleenGTS · 06-06-2001, 09:07 AM

Yeah, the LS1's have plush headlights, not the indented ones.

You should have no problem at all with a LT1.

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Dustin
90 Saleen yup, got her back!!
89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

Chevyguy · 06-06-2001, 09:36 AM

Yup the 93 - 97 Z-28's have the LT-1 motor and will run low 14's stock, the auto cars are only a tick slower than the 6 speeds with either the LS-1 or LT-1, not the same performance drop seen with a AOD.

You should be able to make a "stock appearing" Mustang run about as fast as the Z-28, be aware that the LT-1 still pulls pretty strong, just not as good as a LS-1. I've driven my brothers 94 Caprice Cop car and that tank (4200 Lbs) moves pretty good.

My brand new bone stock 91 LX Hatch ran 14.89 with the 5 speed and 3.08 gears and the 16" michelien tires FWIW about the same time that Motor Trend got with a similar 92 I will take some passes with the 90 notch soon

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Frank W
90 5.0 LX coupe Daily driver. Silencer removed, K&N filter. Flexalite fan, 3 core radiator. FMS flywheel and Clutch, FMS blue wires Energy Suspension end links
88 Notch 2.3L 5 speed Parts/beater car My two Notchbacks

74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 305 Finally fixed getting a 454 to put in garage
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06-04-2001, 06:58 AM	#1
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	Will the ls1 take me? O.K. my friend bought a 98 camaro with the ls1 and a auto. The first thing that he sad was "I can't wait to kick your stangs a$$". Now I can handle loosing a race thats no big deal, it's just that he knows nothing about cars. He did not even know what a ls1 was for the love of god. I once told him that a Geo storm had a single cilinder motor and he bought it. I need to crush his ego and make him think he lost to a stock mustang. Now my daily driver is a stock 93lx with a aod. I have a set of ported windsor jr. heads a systemax II intake and a set of shorty headers that I am not using. I was thinking that if I slap that stuff on with a nice little cam I should keep up with him or win. I know the intake would be overkill for my car, but I have it and I don't want to spend money on the 93 for speed. ------------------ 347 W/ A-trim 6#'s, Canfield heads, out of the box Systemax II intake, solid roller cam. 11.1 @123mph 1.46 60FT 93lx 5.0 daily driver MY CAR http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/...splay.cgi?1288

06-04-2001, 08:48 AM	#2
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	More info please. Your Intake should be fine with the ported windsors. If you have a stock aod, then no you will probably lose....the heads,cam,intake combo should be plenty to beat him if you have a good set of gears (3.73/4.10) and a good shift kit. ------------------ Dustin 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

06-04-2001, 08:59 AM	#3
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	A stone stock 98 Z28 should run 13.5 - 13.8. After a few years a few things may have been bolted on the Z-28 by now, so 13.0 - 13.5 is not out of the question. I really don't understand the motivation to beat a stock car with a modified car. If both cars were modified and you beat the Camaro it would seem more satisfying to me. ------------------ Frank W 90 5.0 LX coupe Daily driver. Silencer removed, K&N filter. Flexalite fan, 3 core radiator. FMS flywheel and Clutch, FMS blue wires Energy Suspension end links 88 Notch 2.3L 5 speed Parts/beater car My two Notchbacks 74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 305 Finally fixed getting a 454 to put in garage <A HREF="http://www.chevellepages.com/folingo" TARGET=_blank>www.chevellepages.

06-04-2001, 12:25 PM	#4
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	Why don't you see the motivation? It's there! Stock for stock everyone knows the LS1 is faster, it will even beat a new GT. Wouldn't it be nice to just pull away from the LS1 hardcore? Even if you beat your friend, I'm sure he'll have some excuse anyway. I would't worry about it, I would race him in your A-Trim car though! =P ------------------ 3:55's,BBK Off-Road H-pipe,BBK jet-hot coated equal length shorty headers,BBK 70mm Throttle Body,BBK adjustable clutch quadrant,C & L 76mm Mass air meter,Cobra R's 17x9 w/ 245's,Trick Flow Intake,Flowmaster Force II exhaust system, Super Duty T5,Centerforce II Clutch,Heavy Duty Radiator,9mm Ford racing plug wires,Accel cap and Rotor http://www.geocities.com/i8urvpr/JM.html?987369348700

06-04-2001, 02:17 PM	#5
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	chances are if he doesnt know much about cars then he probably isnt a great driver either, so that combined with his auto his Z should run high 13s at the best, this is very easily attainable with your car with the heads and all, but you will want to go with atleast 3.73s to be sure, you saw kevins car go 13.73 with ported stock heads/cam/GT40 intake didnt you? (T-5 though) so it can be done, now go spank that guy and let us know how bad ------------------ 88 Notch, 3.73's, Ported E7's, Explorer int. w/ ported lower, pulleys, 1.7RR's, BBK headers, off-road H-pipe, flowmasters, subframe connectors, 65mm TB, shift kit, March ram air ,MSD coil, U/L control arms, 155lph fuel pump, cheap 2800 stall, Crane Adj.FPR, best 1/4--> 13.77@101.35

06-04-2001, 07:56 PM	#6
Violent84 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Shenandoah, Va Posts: 34	Ok listen, I have a 95 Z as well as the 84 Tang and My cousin has a 98 Z with M6 tranny. Some of these LS1 cars run low low 13's stock and some have even reported 12's. I'm not trying to be nasty just tellin ya that w/o gears he is prolly gonna hand you your a$$. You'll need everything you have bolted on the car. Try it dude, if ya lose there's always next time. later, Violent ------------------ 84 GT-350, 2.5" Ram air hood, Centerline Pintails, 5-lug conversion, Recaro's, 140 speedo, 8.8 conversion, 3.73's, Motorsport A/C eliminator, Hurst shifter, ASP pulleys, Eibach pro kit, KYB's, Flowmaster exhaust, Long tubes, Flowtech off road h-pipe, .030 overbore, Extreme Energy 268, AFR 185's, CC Hi Tech Pushrods, CC Pro Magnum RR's, Pete Jackson Gear drive, 750 Speed Demon,Aeromotive 1000 hp pump, Aeromotive FPR, Aeromotive fuel filters,Weiand Xcelerator intake, Max Motorsports aluminum rack

06-04-2001, 11:20 PM	#7
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	chevyguy, the motivation is that I want him to think that he lost to a stock mustang. We have been friends for 13 years and I am his best man. What other motivation would someone need then two friends competing for fun. saleengts, I agree that if I got a set of gears my chances would be allot better. I just don't want to spend money on this car to make it fast, this is my daily driver. The only reason I am doing this is because I have the parts. trying to put another one on the board for the mustang.

06-05-2001, 12:44 AM	#8
MiracleMax Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Hayes, Va, USA Posts: 798	Scary thing about the LS1. Port the heads, put in a little bit bigger cam, bump the compression, add some exhaust, throw a converter in, and do some tuning and its a mid to low 11 second car. Put a 150 shot of nitrous on it and its a low 10 second car! Oh I've seen it and its not pretty!

06-05-2001, 02:28 AM	#9
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Blah blah blah you can do whatever to whatever car. Basic facts here stock A4 LS1, with a bad driver. Its going to run low 14's at best. Ive seen em at the track trust me. You slap those heads, intake and a cam in there w/ the headers you will beat him. Just drive your car well and kick his * . You maybe a bit slow off the line w/ that stock AOD, but you can take him. The heads/intake are perfect for each other get a cam that compliments them also. Im thinking the stock TB/MAF are going to hold you back though. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph** 50-175 Nitrous Works WET Kit just added.

06-05-2001, 03:26 AM	#10
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	I was thinking the same thing about the throtal body and MAF. As far as the cam go's I will be giving comp cams a call and go with a good cam from them allong with some springs. I also have a set of one peice hardned pushrods from comp that I will be using. Also, anyone have any opinions on Mac's throtal body. I one a gift certificate and they mostly deal with Mac products.

06-05-2001, 08:34 AM	#11
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	BOTTOM LINE Trap speed. The best trap speed I have EVER seen a stock LS1 run was a 107....that was a 98 T/A with a 6M Since then I have never seen one break 105. Now that is good for mid 13's driving the hell out of those cars because they weigh a good 200-300 lbs more than a fox. Now the WS-6's and SS's are another story. I have seen those boys run 109's. That is where you need to be careful. My buddy had a 92 LX with a A-Trim pushing 8#, 3.73's and exhaust. He ran door to door with a 01 WS-6. I think his car dynoed around 290 rwhp. I also saw a 99 SS with exhaust dyno I think 309 rwhp. That is 12 second power. The point is if you want to win you will need atleast the same traps those guys are running. ------------------ Dustin 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

06-05-2001, 08:41 AM	#12
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	I guess whoopin a friends butt is pretty good motivation I was thinking more about modifying one car to beat a stock car. If you beat him, "oh yeah I could bolt some stuff on my car too and whoop ya" If you loose, " jees, you spent all that money on your car and still could not catch me, better go buy a blower" Just winning a race is pretty fun, so that is some motivation too. ------------------ Frank W 90 5.0 LX coupe Daily driver. Silencer removed, K&N filter. Flexalite fan, 3 core radiator. FMS flywheel and Clutch, FMS blue wires Energy Suspension end links 88 Notch 2.3L 5 speed Parts/beater car My two Notchbacks 74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 305 Finally fixed getting a 454 to put in garage <A HREF="http://www.chevellepages.com/folingo" TARGET=_blank>www.chevellepages.

06-05-2001, 08:47 AM	#13
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	Arrgh, double posted [This message has been edited by Chevyguy (edited 06-05-2001).]

06-05-2001, 11:13 PM	#14
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	Well I saw my friends car today. Either he got ripped off or he is trying to pull a fast one. When I lifted the hood there was a lt1 in there. I'm not a chevy guy, but I think he has a 97 not a 98 because the car still has the old style head lights not to mention the lt1. I don't think I should have a problem with a 97 camaro if I do the mods I was talking about.

06-06-2001, 09:07 AM	#15
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	Yeah, the LS1's have plush headlights, not the indented ones. You should have no problem at all with a LT1. ------------------ Dustin 90 Saleen yup, got her back!! 89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

06-06-2001, 09:36 AM	#16
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	Yup the 93 - 97 Z-28's have the LT-1 motor and will run low 14's stock, the auto cars are only a tick slower than the 6 speeds with either the LS-1 or LT-1, not the same performance drop seen with a AOD. You should be able to make a "stock appearing" Mustang run about as fast as the Z-28, be aware that the LT-1 still pulls pretty strong, just not as good as a LS-1. I've driven my brothers 94 Caprice Cop car and that tank (4200 Lbs) moves pretty good. My brand new bone stock 91 LX Hatch ran 14.89 with the 5 speed and 3.08 gears and the 16" michelien tires FWIW about the same time that Motor Trend got with a similar 92 I will take some passes with the 90 notch soon ------------------ Frank W 90 5.0 LX coupe Daily driver. Silencer removed, K&N filter. Flexalite fan, 3 core radiator. FMS flywheel and Clutch, FMS blue wires Energy Suspension end links 88 Notch 2.3L 5 speed Parts/beater car My two Notchbacks 74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 305 Finally fixed getting a 454 to put in garage <A HREF="http://www.chevellepages.com/folingo" TARGET=_blank>www.chevellepages.