think I got screwed on my new motor please advise!!!!

cop-coupe · 04-03-2002, 07:27 AM

I just bought a new short block from a engine builder I thought was reputable. It is a short block 306, my first problem was when I got the motor and unpacked it there were no holes for the lifter spider, so I had to drill and tap the holes. not a fun thing to do with an already assembled motor, but I got it done. Then I was getting ready to put my heads on and discovered the tops of the pistons are stamped with .060, I know this isn't a terrible thing but its not necessarily a good one either. I dont know that much about the internals and tolerances of shortblocks that is why I purchased a motor and dindt do it myself! Please give me your opinions on how you would handle this. and what the disadvantages are.

Jeff Chambers · 04-03-2002, 07:55 AM

Sixty over on a stock block isn't that good of a thing. The bores start to get mighty thin at anything more than .040 over. You'll probably be alright if you're not planning on flogging the crap out of it with blower or nitrous. Sounds like you got a non-roller block too if it wasn't drilled and tapped for the lifter retainer. Are you sure its got a roller cam in it? I think I'd be on the phone with the builder to find out just exactly what you've got. Ask plenty of questions:

Roller/non-roller block?
Block & crank magnafluxed & checked?
Roller cam? Specs on it?
Crank & balance (28/50)?
Is the assembly balanced?
What types of bearings & clearances?
Why 0.060" over?
Clearance on pistons & final hone?
What type/size of rings?
Thrust for manual/auto?
Decked & squared?

Let them know that you're trying to be an informed consumer and also let them know that if you're suspicious about it that you'll return the motor and expect a full refund.

cop-coupe · 04-03-2002, 12:52 PM

This is the advertisement of the motor the builder sent us...

306 Roller Cam engine for mustang...all new parts ...silv-o-lite pistons (.030)clevite 77 ord, main and cam bearings, motorsport HO cam, dynagear double roller timing chain and oil pump with new pump drive, reground crank, bored and honed block standard heads with new valve job, this is an excellent street engine on a budget about 275 horse complete long block 1225 and short 900.00

Coupe5oh · 04-03-2002, 01:01 PM

Well now that you went drilling on it, they might say that cant exchange it if it is wrong? Id be upset if i got a .060 over block, not that it really is bad, but if i order a 306 then i want a 306, not a 311 or whatever.....I want to make sure that doesnt happen to me if i order one also.

so this is D.S.S.??? hmm....

Coupe5oh · 04-03-2002, 01:30 PM

Ok to clarify, it was NOT DSS, im stupid

hope you get everthing straight, you never know, you could have a badboy motor!!

cop-coupe · 04-03-2002, 06:52 PM

well I just talked to the guy I bought the motor from and he of course assured me that it wasn't that major a deal. He did apologize for the non roller set up (by the way I ordered the motor minis the valve train.) He sounded genuinely surprised about that. He said he has built many .060 motors and has yet to have one come back for a reason related to bore size. He also said the non roller blocks are stronger ( I honestly have no clue) the block I have does have the raised bosses for the spider they just weren't drilled or tapped. I have taken care of that very carefully myself. he is also faxing and E-Mailing me a copy of a warranty he gives on all his motors. And he has been in business for 20 some years, hopefully he will stand behind his work like he says he will.

Unit 5302 · 04-03-2002, 08:24 PM

You didn't get what you ordered. Send it back while you still can. If he has an issue with that, tell him he'll also have an issue with the better business bureau, and a small claims court appearance to make.

This guy is feeding you a line.

Tony Frank · 04-03-2002, 10:37 PM

*starts a chant from center field*

"throw it back, throw it back, throw it back "

now way man, order a motor from somewhere else man, you get what you pay for, so dont look for the best deal in the house.

vande97 · 04-04-2002, 12:09 AM

please dont tell me that you got this motor from INDY MUSTANG?????

04-03-2002, 07:27 AM	#1
cop-coupe Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: belleville IL. Posts: 60	think I got screwed on my new motor please advise!!!! I just bought a new short block from a engine builder I thought was reputable. It is a short block 306, my first problem was when I got the motor and unpacked it there were no holes for the lifter spider, so I had to drill and tap the holes. not a fun thing to do with an already assembled motor, but I got it done. Then I was getting ready to put my heads on and discovered the tops of the pistons are stamped with .060, I know this isn't a terrible thing but its not necessarily a good one either. I dont know that much about the internals and tolerances of shortblocks that is why I purchased a motor and dindt do it myself! Please give me your opinions on how you would handle this. and what the disadvantages are.

04-03-2002, 07:55 AM	#2
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	Sixty over on a stock block isn't that good of a thing. The bores start to get mighty thin at anything more than .040 over. You'll probably be alright if you're not planning on flogging the crap out of it with blower or nitrous. Sounds like you got a non-roller block too if it wasn't drilled and tapped for the lifter retainer. Are you sure its got a roller cam in it? I think I'd be on the phone with the builder to find out just exactly what you've got. Ask plenty of questions: Roller/non-roller block? Block & crank magnafluxed & checked? Roller cam? Specs on it? Crank & balance (28/50)? Is the assembly balanced? What types of bearings & clearances? Why 0.060" over? Clearance on pistons & final hone? What type/size of rings? Thrust for manual/auto? Decked & squared? Let them know that you're trying to be an informed consumer and also let them know that if you're suspicious about it that you'll return the motor and expect a full refund. __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

04-03-2002, 12:52 PM	#3
cop-coupe Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: belleville IL. Posts: 60	False Adveritsed Motor?? This is the advertisement of the motor the builder sent us... 306 Roller Cam engine for mustang...all new parts ...silv-o-lite pistons (.030)clevite 77 ord, main and cam bearings, motorsport HO cam, dynagear double roller timing chain and oil pump with new pump drive, reground crank, bored and honed block standard heads with new valve job, this is an excellent street engine on a budget about 275 horse complete long block 1225 and short 900.00 __________________ 1990 spec. serv. coupe w/306 (Indy Perf. Mustang Not Recomended), C-4 w/3000 stall, b-303, gt-40 heads and intake, 1.6rr, 1" spacer, fms valve covers, mac cold air intake, bbk equil shorties, Mac pro chamber, 2.5" flows, under drives, 65mm t.b. , fms 9mm wires, trunck mount battery, 24lb inj., 73mm C&L, 155lph pump. msd digital 6a, flex-a-lite,

04-03-2002, 01:01 PM	#4
Coupe5oh Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 734	Well now that you went drilling on it, they might say that cant exchange it if it is wrong? Id be upset if i got a .060 over block, not that it really is bad, but if i order a 306 then i want a 306, not a 311 or whatever.....I want to make sure that doesnt happen to me if i order one also. so this is D.S.S.??? hmm.... __________________ Police package 5spd 90 Lx, Stock original motor, 3.27grs, BM fan, fms 10.5 clutch, D&D quadrant, and adjuster, ADS chip, 180 stat, mac cai, mac h-pipe, mac subframe connectors, ASP crank pulley, ripper shifter, 26x10.5 M/T sport pros welds. 246 hp according to analyzer Race weight: 3,120 E.t-13.57 with 26x10.50's e.t. streets. 1.88 60' mph- 99.92 mph

04-03-2002, 06:52 PM	#6
cop-coupe Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: belleville IL. Posts: 60	well I just talked to the guy I bought the motor from and he of course assured me that it wasn't that major a deal. He did apologize for the non roller set up (by the way I ordered the motor minis the valve train.) He sounded genuinely surprised about that. He said he has built many .060 motors and has yet to have one come back for a reason related to bore size. He also said the non roller blocks are stronger ( I honestly have no clue) the block I have does have the raised bosses for the spider they just weren't drilled or tapped. I have taken care of that very carefully myself. he is also faxing and E-Mailing me a copy of a warranty he gives on all his motors. And he has been in business for 20 some years, hopefully he will stand behind his work like he says he will. __________________ 1990 spec. serv. coupe w/306 (Indy Perf. Mustang Not Recomended), C-4 w/3000 stall, b-303, gt-40 heads and intake, 1.6rr, 1" spacer, fms valve covers, mac cold air intake, bbk equil shorties, Mac pro chamber, 2.5" flows, under drives, 65mm t.b. , fms 9mm wires, trunck mount battery, 24lb inj., 73mm C&L, 155lph pump. msd digital 6a, flex-a-lite,

04-03-2002, 01:30 PM	#5
Coupe5oh Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 734	Ok to clarify, it was NOT DSS, im stupid hope you get everthing straight, you never know, you could have a badboy motor!!

04-03-2002, 08:24 PM	#7
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	You didn't get what you ordered. Send it back while you still can. If he has an issue with that, tell him he'll also have an issue with the better business bureau, and a small claims court appearance to make. This guy is feeding you a line.

04-03-2002, 10:37 PM	#8
Tony Frank Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brooklyn originally, but Grand Rapids now Posts: 309	starts a chant from center field "throw it back, throw it back, throw it back " now way man, order a motor from somewhere else man, you get what you pay for, so dont look for the best deal in the house. __________________ Grand Valley State University Senior Accounting and Finance Major 1985 Mustang GT 19,000 ORIGINAL miles, E-303 cam, edelbrock performer RPM intake, holley 600 cfm carb, MAC headers, windage tray, 8.8 rear end with 4.10 gears, 4"cowl hood, 5lug conversion, 04 Mach1 wheels. http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?1501

04-04-2002, 12:09 AM	#9
vande97 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: okemos Posts: 205	please dont tell me that you got this motor from INDY MUSTANG?????

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