Q about starter heat shields

KiltedBanshees93GT · 01-24-2005, 10:49 AM

It couldn't hurt, how old is the starter and are you running long tubes? My 66 has the same problem or as we called it the "Semi-Annual starter-feeding".

You could get a shield and see if it helps, but if that starters too far gone, you might still need to replace. Word of advice, Lifetime warrenties: GOOD. I had to do that on the 66 not too long after I got her, popped for the extra $, and next time it happened, just pulled it, went to the store and got a new one for free.
Hope it helps, and let me know how well the shield/wrap works.

J

82 GT · 01-24-2005, 03:06 PM

What year mustang do you have? If it's a pre-'92 you can get one from a '92-95 mustang that comes factory with a mini starter.
You would need slight wire modifications to have it work. Nothing major though.
I might be wrong with when they started with the mini starters but I know they had them in '94-95
I had the same problem with my car and I bought one for a '94GT and it works fine on my 351w even.

~The Jester~ · 01-24-2005, 04:18 PM

These guys hit the nail on the head with the starters. Another thing to check, might want to reach in there and yank a couple degrees timing out of it too.

Ieatcamaros · 01-24-2005, 09:38 PM

Jester beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading. What is your timing set at? Heat shields do wonders too.

5.0 Fiend · 01-25-2005, 06:02 AM

The car is an 84, so I imagine thr starter is that old, also I am running shorty headers.
What do you guys mean by timing? Ignition? Cam? I dont have a timing light, should probably get one, I just take the number one plug out, jump the starter solenoid to get the cylinder on the compression stroke to top dead center, then I point the rotor to that wire and do a quarter mile run (estimated), and keep adjusting the dist. till I am happy with the results. Why would the timing affect the engine when hot, but not cold? The next time it happens, should I try to retard the dist timing a little bit? I guess I'll try a heat shield to see If I can pull a little more life out of the starter.

andy669 · 01-25-2005, 09:28 AM

Advanced ignition timing will cause the slow crank syndrome like you are experiencing. That would have been my first guess.

Andy

5.0 Fiend · 01-25-2005, 09:51 AM

Why would advanced timing do this? Are you saying that if the advanced timing was the culprit, that it would still only happen when hot? Would the answer be that when the engine is turning over it has to work harder because the compression and power stroke are getting pushed closer together? (meaning that when the engine is trying to compress, the advanced spark wants to start the power stroke thus causing strain for the weak stock starter)?

01-24-2005, 10:49 AM	#1
KiltedBanshees93GT Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Pigeon Forge Tn Posts: 611	Re: Q about starter heat shields It couldn't hurt, how old is the starter and are you running long tubes? My 66 has the same problem or as we called it the "Semi-Annual starter-feeding". You could get a shield and see if it helps, but if that starters too far gone, you might still need to replace. Word of advice, Lifetime warrenties: GOOD. I had to do that on the 66 not too long after I got her, popped for the extra $, and next time it happened, just pulled it, went to the store and got a new one for free. Hope it helps, and let me know how well the shield/wrap works. J __________________ ____________ '66 Mustang Coupe- AKA "Lenore" on disability for a (long) bit '93 GT Mostly stock AKA "Fawkes" Rice Haters Club Member #239 "I find your lack of faith...disturbing." "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." H. L. Mencken

01-24-2005, 03:06 PM	#2
82 GT Import Slayer Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 2,241	Re: Q about starter heat shields What year mustang do you have? If it's a pre-'92 you can get one from a '92-95 mustang that comes factory with a mini starter. You would need slight wire modifications to have it work. Nothing major though. I might be wrong with when they started with the mini starters but I know they had them in '94-95 I had the same problem with my car and I bought one for a '94GT and it works fine on my 351w even. __________________ '82 GT 351W (.060)Comp Cams 274* Extreme Energy cam, ported & polished heads w/ 1.94/1.60 valves 10.3:1 flat top pistons,stealth intake, Mallory dizzy,Holley 750dp carb, BBK shorties,Flowmaster exhaust,C-4 with 3700 stall converter, B&M pro shifter,8.8 rear, 4:10's, subframes, electric fan, powermaster alternator, 4 core radiator.

01-24-2005, 04:18 PM	#3
~The Jester~ Rat Killer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cold ass Ohio Posts: 1,143	Re: Q about starter heat shields These guys hit the nail on the head with the starters. Another thing to check, might want to reach in there and yank a couple degrees timing out of it too. __________________ d-Con Racing "Nothing fancy, just 347 inches of RAT POISON!" MICE need not apply.....

01-24-2005, 09:38 PM	#4
Ieatcamaros Domestic Rice really sucks! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: KY Posts: 973	Re: Q about starter heat shields Jester beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading. What is your timing set at? Heat shields do wonders too. __________________ The sig says it all.

01-25-2005, 06:02 AM	#5
5.0 Fiend Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Central PA Posts: 87	Re: Q about starter heat shields The car is an 84, so I imagine thr starter is that old, also I am running shorty headers. What do you guys mean by timing? Ignition? Cam? I dont have a timing light, should probably get one, I just take the number one plug out, jump the starter solenoid to get the cylinder on the compression stroke to top dead center, then I point the rotor to that wire and do a quarter mile run (estimated), and keep adjusting the dist. till I am happy with the results. Why would the timing affect the engine when hot, but not cold? The next time it happens, should I try to retard the dist timing a little bit? I guess I'll try a heat shield to see If I can pull a little more life out of the starter.

01-25-2005, 09:28 AM	#6
andy669 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Moline Il Posts: 901	Re: Q about starter heat shields Advanced ignition timing will cause the slow crank syndrome like you are experiencing. That would have been my first guess. Andy __________________ 88 coupe 91 LX NMRA Pure Street 5120

01-25-2005, 09:51 AM	#7
5.0 Fiend Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Central PA Posts: 87	Re: Q about starter heat shields Why would advanced timing do this? Are you saying that if the advanced timing was the culprit, that it would still only happen when hot? Would the answer be that when the engine is turning over it has to work harder because the compression and power stroke are getting pushed closer together? (meaning that when the engine is trying to compress, the advanced spark wants to start the power stroke thus causing strain for the weak stock starter)?

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