Who has done heads/cam swap?

dinomite · 06-19-2001, 07:10 PM

Wanna help me out? I'm looking at getting some assembled AFR 165's, E-cam, and appropriate pushrods/lifters. I'll get the heads and pushrods ('standard length' 7.200") from AFR. Any suggestions on lifters (i don't think i can go wrong here)?

Once i get all this stuff, what do i do? Anyone want to give me a detailed explaination? I just recently replaced my water pump, and previously replaced the rear control arms, shocks and springs all around. Can i do this?

dinomite · 06-19-2001, 07:27 PM

Adding a couple things, i'm gonna get a new FRPP timing set as well.

Couple more questions. Do i need new head bolts or can i re-use my stockers?

Finally, i'm trying to do the minimum that i need to to do this head/cam swap, am i gonna need some new injectors/fuel pump (no other engine mods, see below), and if i do, should i get 30lb and 190lph or 24lb and 155lph as i will be doing exh. and intake at a later time.

89 Cobra LX · 06-20-2001, 07:25 AM

You really should replace your intake, throttle-body and headers at the same time (hell, you're gonna have everything apart anyway). If you're going to run this combo with the stock intake, t-body and headers you'll never make the kind of power you'd like to see.

155lph pump and 24lb injectors will be fine.

QUIN · 06-20-2001, 08:37 AM

and stock head bolts will work, but why not go with some better ones while you are already in there? could even go to the studs.
i agree about replacing the intake and throttle body, but i also want to say that the heads are the biggest bottleneck and if you cant afford to do the others right now, replacing the heads and cam will still be a good move. might not get full potential but its easier to swap intakes later than it would be to do it vice versa.
my opinion.
Q

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Mach 1 · 06-20-2001, 08:51 AM

stock heads bolts work fine, save your money in this area.

Fors stock roller lifters are fine also.

Rick 91GT · 06-20-2001, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QUIN:
and stock head bolts will work, but why not go with some better ones while you are already in there? could even go to the studs.
i agree about replacing the intake and throttle body, but i also want to say that the heads are the biggest bottleneck and if you cant afford to do the others right now, replacing the heads and cam will still be a good move. might not get full potential but its easier to swap intakes later than it would be to do it vice versa.
my opinion.
Q

I second the head bolts, I would get a good set of ARP's while it is all apart, and I would get a good set of roller rockers, and go stud mount they will be stronger if future mods are coming. Get a set of Crane Roller lifters, they will be fine, same as the Ford units, make sure you soak them in oil first for acouple days before assembly. Where are you at in VA, whats close?If you swap injectors remember you will need a mass air meter calibrated for them, I like my C&L 76mm, as for the fuel pump you should just go big it won't hurt, you can get a 255lph in tank for a little over $100 from JD's Performance, and Dave is a great guy www.jdsperformance.com

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2FastLX · 06-20-2001, 11:55 AM

I'd definately go with some ARP head bolts or studs. The stock ones are prone to stretching. If you're going to spend that much money on nice heads like that don't go cheap on anything that is going to be used on them.

I'd go ahead and do the head/cam swap and worry about the intake later. One thing you can do though is port match the lower intake to the heads. That'll help some. Anyway, you should definately be able to feel a noticable difference in power.

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dinomite · 06-20-2001, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick 91GT:
I second the head bolts, I would get a good set of ARP's while it is all apart, and I would get a good set of roller rockers, and go stud mount they will be stronger if future mods are coming. Get a set of Crane Roller lifters, they will be fine, same as the Ford units, make sure you soak them in oil first for acouple days before assembly. Where are you at in VA, whats close?If you swap injectors remember you will need a mass air meter calibrated for them, I like my C&L 76mm, as for the fuel pump you should just go big it won't hurt, you can get a 255lph in tank for a little over $100 from JD's Performance, and Dave is a great guy www.jdsperformance.com

First off, i live in Arlington, inside beltway south fo DC. It's 2 hours to Carlisle, PA (my sister's college).

I'll get some new head bolts, and i'm buying the heads assembled from AFR, so they will have RR's. I'll grab some new lifters while i'm at it. Now what about the new injectors....do i need to get them now, or can i wait till i do the intake?

Rick 91GT · 06-20-2001, 05:53 PM

I think for now you can get away with the 19# injectors, but when you do the intake it would be best to get 24# injectors and a mass air meter. I think the AFR's are available in both stud and pedastal mount RR, get the stud mount. Carlise is about 45mins north of me.

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dinomite · 06-20-2001, 09:21 PM

Cool! tell me if your ever coming down here, and i'll talk to you if i go up there some time!

Now, anyone want to tell me how to install all this stuff (heads and cam), or if i can do it. As i said before, i've done water pump, rear upper and lowers, and springs and shocks all around.

93CobraR · 06-20-2001, 09:33 PM

Yeah, get some new head bolts. Also Mustangs Unlimited sells Crane roller lifters for $100 a set. As for the injectors, wait. Look at my combo, stock fuel system totaly except for the fuel pressure reg., which you will need rather you stick with stock or bigger injectors. I think a good fuel pump, and reg. should work fine with your combo, untill you get a power adder.

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Rick 91GT · 06-20-2001, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by dinomite:
Cool! tell me if your ever coming down here, and i'll talk to you if i go up there some time!

Now, anyone want to tell me how to install all this stuff (heads and cam), or if i can do it. As i said before, i've done water pump, rear upper and lowers, and springs and shocks all around.

No problem, if I wasn't super busy I'd come down and help you install that stuff. Check out Cranes website, they have some good info on cam swaps, and how to set rockers. Your heads will come with install instructions as well. Just take your time and label anything you are not really familar with, us a bead of silicone on the front and back of the lower instead of the supplied cork seals.

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dinomite · 06-21-2001, 04:51 PM

I won't be doin it for a month or so.

Thanks a lot guys, but anyone have any other tips?

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06-19-2001, 07:10 PM	#1
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	Who has done heads/cam swap? Wanna help me out? I'm looking at getting some assembled AFR 165's, E-cam, and appropriate pushrods/lifters. I'll get the heads and pushrods ('standard length' 7.200") from AFR. Any suggestions on lifters (i don't think i can go wrong here)? Once i get all this stuff, what do i do? Anyone want to give me a detailed explaination? I just recently replaced my water pump, and previously replaced the rear control arms, shocks and springs all around. Can i do this?

06-19-2001, 07:27 PM	#2
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	Adding a couple things, i'm gonna get a new FRPP timing set as well. Couple more questions. Do i need new head bolts or can i re-use my stockers? Finally, i'm trying to do the minimum that i need to to do this head/cam swap, am i gonna need some new injectors/fuel pump (no other engine mods, see below), and if i do, should i get 30lb and 190lph or 24lb and 155lph as i will be doing exh. and intake at a later time.

06-20-2001, 07:25 AM	#3
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	You really should replace your intake, throttle-body and headers at the same time (hell, you're gonna have everything apart anyway). If you're going to run this combo with the stock intake, t-body and headers you'll never make the kind of power you'd like to see. 155lph pump and 24lb injectors will be fine.

06-20-2001, 08:37 AM	#4
QUIN Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Chillicothe, OH. Posts: 1,289	and stock head bolts will work, but why not go with some better ones while you are already in there? could even go to the studs. i agree about replacing the intake and throttle body, but i also want to say that the heads are the biggest bottleneck and if you cant afford to do the others right now, replacing the heads and cam will still be a good move. might not get full potential but its easier to swap intakes later than it would be to do it vice versa. my opinion. Q ------------------ Quin, 87 GT,306,forged/cut pistons,edelbrock head\intake,steeda#18cam,1.7rr,MSD Blaster tfi coil,A9L,pro-m75mm,24#inj,accufab65mm,2.5"pipes,hooker headers,dynomax exhaust,3.73 gr,110 lph fp,moroso cold air,ASP pullies, weld rims See my engine on user rides. I see your shwartz is as big as mine, now lets see how well you handle it!

06-20-2001, 08:51 AM	#5
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	stock heads bolts work fine, save your money in this area. Fors stock roller lifters are fine also.

06-20-2001, 11:55 AM	#7
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	I'd definately go with some ARP head bolts or studs. The stock ones are prone to stretching. If you're going to spend that much money on nice heads like that don't go cheap on anything that is going to be used on them. I'd go ahead and do the head/cam swap and worry about the intake later. One thing you can do though is port match the lower intake to the heads. That'll help some. Anyway, you should definately be able to feel a noticable difference in power. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 [This message has been edited by 2FastLX (edited 06-20-2001).]

06-20-2001, 05:53 PM	#9
Rick 91GT Procharged! Join Date: May 1999 Location: Hanover, PA Posts: 1,539	I think for now you can get away with the 19# injectors, but when you do the intake it would be best to get 24# injectors and a mass air meter. I think the AFR's are available in both stud and pedastal mount RR, get the stud mount. Carlise is about 45mins north of me. ------------------ Check Out My Site 91GT,Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60" port matched to a 1262,Anderson N-61,24#,76mm C&L,Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes,2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe,2 1/2" cat back, No A/C or PS or emissions, 12" K&N Filter,RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air,Ron Davis Radiator,Full Suspension,S&W 8pt "X" brace,JAZ seats,3:73's,Welds..etc,4:30's and 31 splines coming very soon! FIRST TIME OUT 12.16@111 WHEELS-UP

06-20-2001, 09:21 PM	#10
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	Cool! tell me if your ever coming down here, and i'll talk to you if i go up there some time! Now, anyone want to tell me how to install all this stuff (heads and cam), or if i can do it. As i said before, i've done water pump, rear upper and lowers, and springs and shocks all around.

06-20-2001, 09:33 PM	#11
93CobraR Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,575	Yeah, get some new head bolts. Also Mustangs Unlimited sells Crane roller lifters for $100 a set. As for the injectors, wait. Look at my combo, stock fuel system totaly except for the fuel pressure reg., which you will need rather you stick with stock or bigger injectors. I think a good fuel pump, and reg. should work fine with your combo, untill you get a power adder. ------------------ 87 GT, 4 inch cowl hood,17x9 Cobra R's/255/45's,GT-40 heads,Crane 2031, Edelbrock intake, long tubes headers,h-pipe,Flows,BBK cold air, Mass air,70mm MAF, 1.7's, 1" spacer,underdrive pulleys,Pro 5.0, King Cobra, Adj. fuel Reg., Lakewood Lift Bars,50/50's,subframes, 4.10's. Best time 12.759 Best MPH 106.79 Best 60' 1.695 Visit my site at: http://www.geocities.com/cobrar93_2000/MyPage.html

06-21-2001, 04:51 PM	#13
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	I won't be doin it for a month or so. Thanks a lot guys, but anyone have any other tips?